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From: George Michaelson <ggm@apnic.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] mv vs cp
Date: Tue,  9 Oct 2001 21:43:41 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <11311.1002627821@apnic.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:04:30 +0000." <3BC28DCE.DED058D9@null.net>


> path.  Even on pre-7th Edition Unix, it was fairly easy to make
> a cyclic structure using (hard) links.  But tree-walking has
> been common and useful for decades despite those opportunities
> for cyclic behavior.

Surely hard links couldn't point to directories, so it was only about
alternate paths to leaf objects. Thats not the same as a GOTO loop.

> 
> As the WWW has shown, structures don't have to be perfect to
> be very useful.  We're still waiting for Xanadu..

I entirely agree. I think that symlinks can be viewed as runtime
evaluated conditionals in the filespace. That it means perfoming
more work than traversing the hard link is true. That it lets
you perform a large number of tasks that want to walk into partitioned
spaces it also true I think. 

That the only extant implementation has severe flaws and inconsistencies
is a damn shame.

Didn't the guys one stack down on the shoulders of the giants decide to
walk away from symlinks because it was hard to get right, more than
because  philosophically they were 'wrong'? Unlike with dead physicists,
we get to ask these questions and sometimes get answers more than conjecture.

-George


  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-09 11:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-08 13:00 rob pike
2001-10-09  9:04 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-10-09 11:43   ` George Michaelson [this message]
2001-10-10  8:57     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-10-10 11:50       ` Borja Marcos
2001-10-10 11:53         ` Borja Marcos
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-11  3:19 anothy
2001-10-11  3:00 okamoto
2001-10-11  2:18 Russ Cox
2001-10-11  1:06 okamoto
2001-10-10 13:18 forsyth
2001-10-10  1:45 okamoto
2001-10-09 17:16 presotto
2001-10-09 16:59 rog
2001-10-09 16:39 forsyth
2001-10-10  8:49 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-09 12:25 rob pike
2001-10-09 16:18 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-09 12:05 forsyth
2001-10-09  1:46 okamoto
2001-10-09  5:46 ` Richard
2001-10-08 16:54 presotto
2001-10-08 16:11 anothy
2001-10-08 14:46 rob pike
2001-10-08 15:00 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-08 15:14   ` Markus Friedl
2001-10-08 16:22 ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08 13:03 rob pike
2001-10-08 14:40 ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  6:54 nigel
2001-10-08  5:05 jmk
2001-10-08  5:45 ` Mike Haertel
2001-10-08  6:27   ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  6:25 ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  9:50 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-10-08  9:51 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-08 15:37 ` Richard
2001-10-08 16:02   ` William Josephson
2001-10-07 21:20 nigel
2001-10-07 19:11 presotto
2001-10-08  7:33 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-10-07 18:53 presotto
2001-10-07 16:23 jmk
2001-10-08  4:28 ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  4:49   ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-08  6:10     ` George Michaelson
2001-10-08  6:34       ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-08  6:49         ` George Michaelson
2001-10-08  7:00           ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  7:13             ` George Michaelson
2001-10-08  7:44               ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-08  7:28             ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-08  6:54       ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  7:10         ` George Michaelson
2001-10-08  8:28           ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  9:51     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-08 10:30       ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-09  9:03         ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-09  9:33           ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-09 15:58             ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-09 16:43               ` davel
2001-10-10  8:49                 ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-10-10  8:49                 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-10  9:48                   ` davel
2001-10-11  9:10                     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-11 10:54                       ` davel
2001-10-12  9:19                         ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-09 16:46               ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-10  8:50                 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-10 10:29                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-10  1:05               ` erik quanstrom
2001-10-10  2:15                 ` david presotto
2001-10-10  4:54                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-10-10  8:30                 ` davel
2001-10-08 10:34       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-10-08  9:50   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-10-08 11:13     ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  9:42 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-07 12:43 presotto
2001-10-07 13:01 ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-07 17:26 ` philw
2001-10-07  7:02 forsyth
2001-10-07  6:35 Russ Cox
2001-10-08  9:41 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-07  6:29 Lucio De Re
2001-10-07  6:42 ` Quinn Dunkan
2001-10-07  9:17   ` Lucio De Re

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