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From: "Thomas Bushnell, BSG" <tb+usenet@becket.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] mv vs cp
Date: Tue,  9 Oct 2001 16:18:13 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zo70g691.fsf@becket.becket.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011009122525.2C9E119A27@mail.cse.psu.edu>

rob@plan9.bell-labs.com (rob pike) writes:

[about symlinks]

> and this little piece of
> name space stored as a time bomb somewhere in the network rather than
> in the client's representation of its resources is poor compartment-
> alization and therefore lousy design

This makes me think of something.

Plan 9 puts the mount hierarchy over in the per-process namespace,
which is a nifty idea.

Rob points out here that symlinks also really belong in per-process
places (and the same effect can be more cleanly realized with
"bind").  So clearly, there is no need for symlinks in Plan 9.

(One thing; please clear up my ignorance: sometimes a symlink is used
for the benefit of all the users; where in a Plan 9 system do I put a
"bind" such that it is the automatic default for all users in that
way?)

It seems to me that the same could be true of directory renames, if
the entire naming hierarchy were regarded as a per-process namespace,
rather than just the "mount" portions.  Then a given user could move,
mount, unlink, etc, without changing anything on the fileserver at all
(except a ref count).  [Actually, let it become more liberal and a ref
count is probably not sufficient any more.]


  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-09 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-09 12:25 rob pike
2001-10-09 16:18 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-11  3:19 anothy
2001-10-11  3:00 okamoto
2001-10-11  2:18 Russ Cox
2001-10-11  1:06 okamoto
2001-10-10 13:18 forsyth
2001-10-10  1:45 okamoto
2001-10-09 17:16 presotto
2001-10-09 16:59 rog
2001-10-09 16:39 forsyth
2001-10-10  8:49 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-09 12:05 forsyth
2001-10-09  1:46 okamoto
2001-10-09  5:46 ` Richard
2001-10-08 16:54 presotto
2001-10-08 16:11 anothy
2001-10-08 14:46 rob pike
2001-10-08 15:00 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-08 15:14   ` Markus Friedl
2001-10-08 16:22 ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08 13:03 rob pike
2001-10-08 14:40 ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08 13:00 rob pike
2001-10-09  9:04 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-10-09 11:43   ` George Michaelson
2001-10-10  8:57     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-10-10 11:50       ` Borja Marcos
2001-10-10 11:53         ` Borja Marcos
2001-10-08  6:54 nigel
2001-10-08  5:05 jmk
2001-10-08  5:45 ` Mike Haertel
2001-10-08  6:27   ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  6:25 ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  9:50 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-10-08  9:51 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-08 15:37 ` Richard
2001-10-08 16:02   ` William Josephson
2001-10-07 21:20 nigel
2001-10-07 19:11 presotto
2001-10-08  7:33 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-10-07 18:53 presotto
2001-10-07 16:23 jmk
2001-10-08  4:28 ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  4:49   ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-08  6:10     ` George Michaelson
2001-10-08  6:34       ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-08  6:49         ` George Michaelson
2001-10-08  7:00           ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  7:13             ` George Michaelson
2001-10-08  7:44               ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-08  7:28             ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-08  6:54       ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  7:10         ` George Michaelson
2001-10-08  8:28           ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  9:51     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-08 10:30       ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-09  9:03         ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-09  9:33           ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-09 15:58             ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-09 16:43               ` davel
2001-10-10  8:49                 ` Ralph Corderoy
2001-10-10  8:49                 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-10  9:48                   ` davel
2001-10-11  9:10                     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-11 10:54                       ` davel
2001-10-12  9:19                         ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-09 16:46               ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-10  8:50                 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-10 10:29                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-10  1:05               ` erik quanstrom
2001-10-10  2:15                 ` david presotto
2001-10-10  4:54                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2001-10-10  8:30                 ` davel
2001-10-08 10:34       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-10-08  9:50   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-10-08 11:13     ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-08  9:42 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-07 12:43 presotto
2001-10-07 13:01 ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-07 17:26 ` philw
2001-10-07  7:02 forsyth
2001-10-07  6:35 Russ Cox
2001-10-08  9:41 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2001-10-07  6:29 Lucio De Re
2001-10-07  6:42 ` Quinn Dunkan
2001-10-07  9:17   ` Lucio De Re

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