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[Scott Schwartz schwartz@galapagos.cse.psu.edu]

Rather than have everyone dig thru the majordumbo archives, I'll just
post the messages since just before the 19th.  That way external
archive sites will get them too.

Also, could everyone please check that their addresses are correct 
and not duplicated or otherwise confused?  

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>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 18 21:02:40 1995
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         AT&T ANNOUNCES *** AT&T today announced that Plan 9, a new 
         computer operating system from AT&T Bell Laboratories, is now 
         available for research and educational use.  The Plan 9 operating 
         system, named for the science-fiction cult movie "Plan 9 From 
         Outer Space," was designed by the inventors of the UNIX system, a 
         widely used operating system created at Bell Labs 25 years ago.   
         "Plan 9 is not in competition with UNIX or Windows," said Paul 
         Fillinich, marketing manager for AT&T Software Solutions.  The 
         Plan 9 system is based on the concept of distributed computing in 
         a networked, client-server environment.  The product, including 
         source code, is available for $350.  The full kit will be shipped 
         with a CD-ROM, four diskettes and two manuals.  A partial kit, 
         containing only the manuals, may be ordered separately for $125.  
         The contact number in the U.S. for information and orders is 800-
         462-8146; elsewhere, +1-415-943-4076.
--
Larry Cipriani, l.v.cipriani@att.com
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>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 03:43:15 1995
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From:	Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au
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|  The free version is available.  Ftp to
|  plan9.att.com, log in as anonymous, and get the
|  files from /plan9/pcdist.  The distrib.html
|  page now points to them.

I tried booting disk1 on two 486s around here.

One said
	/386/init: file does not exist
	panic: boot process dies: unknown
	(plus what I take to be a stack trace)
A directory listing under MS-DOS indicates \386\init does exist.

The other one said
	exception/interrupt 6
	FLAGS=10092  TRAP=6  ECODE=0  PC=80107d84
	(plus a register dump)

I successfully booted the floppy image from the previous version on both 
machines, so I'm sad to see the new version fail so soon.  Should I try 
verifying the disk image with a checksum?  Or should I try a different 
brand PC?

(I was still waiting for a local SparcStation 2 to become available so I 
can put the previous version up there.  Perhaps I should continue to wait.)

-- Christopher




>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 06:55:20 1995
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I have put a copy of the plan9.att.com:/plan9/pcdist directory in
ftp.bath.ac.uk:/pub/plan9, for anyone who has a faster route to us than
the states.

It is also available in the alex cache of alex.niss.ac.uk for UK academic
sites.



>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 13:12:09 1995
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[Apologies if you've already seen this]

I've got my SLC booting from disk.  The command ss/home will set up
a new boot disk (takes about 24 mins).  Caveats:

- boot disk must be scsi id 3 for the ROM monitor to boot from it
- disk probably needs to have been formatted by sunos/solaris, which stores
   a lot of pointless information + a checksum in sector 0, which I have been
   leaving alone.  If this becomes a problem, I can probably provide a "blank"
   sector 0 (there's a magic number, so it can't just be all zeros)
- only V1 of the ROM monitor is supported.  The ELC's are V2.  I will
   probably fix this at a later date.  Apparently a V0 exists also...

P.S.  You really don't want to know how it works! ;-)
P.P.S. Danger!  The other "home" scripts are unaware that the interface to
    disk/prep has changed...



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> 
>          AT&T ANNOUNCES *** AT&T today announced that Plan 9, a new 
>          computer operating system from AT&T Bell Laboratories, is now 
>          available for research and educational use.  The Plan 9 operating 
>          system, named for the science-fiction cult movie "Plan 9 From 
>          Outer Space," was designed by the inventors of the UNIX system, a 
>          widely used operating system created at Bell Labs 25 years ago.   
>          "Plan 9 is not in competition with UNIX or Windows," said Paul 
>          Fillinich, marketing manager for AT&T Software Solutions.  The 
>          Plan 9 system is based on the concept of distributed computing in 
>          a networked, client-server environment.  The product, including 
>          source code, is available for $350.

Does this mean that upon purchasing the "Full Kit" I will hold a
"Source License for this product"...

Does anyone have the Legal Speak as to what I can do with this
"Source License"???

Mike
mmarshal@spd.dsccc.com



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> 
> Any word on when the floppy disk images for the binary-only version will
> be put up for ftp?

Will there be a trial for Sparc???

Mike




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Hi all,

I've installed the PC demo, and it mostly seems to work.  However,
when it tries to start the mouse driver (?) at boot time, or if I
start it manually, it exits with the "unknown mouse type" message
after couple of seconds delay.

If I "cat /dev/eia0" it produces output when I move the mouse.  I've
tried a couple of mice, both of which work as normal 3 button/5
byte mice on other systems.  I also tried the other serial port, and
using "aux/mouse 0" explicitly.  aux/mouse ps2, tried just for the
sake of experimentation, exited immediately without a message.

A search of the man pages on plan9.att.com didn't produce anything
useful, and of course, I don't (yet) have the source for the
aux/mouse.

Thanks,
	Jeremy



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Hi again,

I should have paid more attention.  The message "unknown mouse
type" really means that: when I switched the mouse into to Microsoft
mode it worked properly.  However, every single 3 button mouse with
a Logitech/MS switch ignores the middle button in MS mode.  I know
the MS protocol supports a 3rd button, but it seems that all the
mouse hardware assumes that the software will break with it enabled.

Has someone implemented a mouse driver which supports the more
common 3 button mouse protocol?

Thanks,
	J



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Hello everybody!

Now, after Plan9 is available for everyone, I plan to order my CD-ROM from AT&T.
I want to install it on a 486/Pentium PC. Because I don't own such a beast at
the moment, I will have to buy one. And here the problems start. On what
main-boards, graphic-cards etc. Plan9 will run. The WWW-pages on plan9.att.com
aren't very detailed. I have also read the lists spread in the 9fans mailing
list, but they are from 1994 for the old distributions. 

So here's my question: Is there a list covering the new distribution?
	
Thank you very much for any answers!

Regards,

	Henner

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Hello again!

Here I am again, looking for the right configuration...

Has anybody tried to run Plan9 on a Gigabyte GA-586AT(/P256) board?

The Bi-processor boards with the Neptun chip set used by the AT&T folks
are nice, but the Trition boards are faster AND cheaper!

Any experiences?

Tschuess,

	Henner

PS: I hope this will be the last question about the `right' configuration.
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>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 25 12:45:48 1995
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I've been playing with the trial distribution floppies, trying to
get the system to boot on an old Dell 316SX, here at work. I can get
it as far as attempting to configure the VGA system, but of course the
default /lib/vgadb doesn't have an entry for my machine. I've tried
hacking vgadb and just adding in an entry for it as a straightforward
640x480, but it just hangs. Sigh. I've got the machine to the state
where it can boot up and give me a shell, but there's no access to
8½, etc.

So the question is, is there any way of getting it to support this card,
or do I just give up on this particular machine?

steve



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From:	rwolff@noao.edu (Richard Wolff)
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I have a Gateway PC (486/66) with two 400 MB (IDE) disk drives.  I'd
like to install plan9 on the second drive (hd1) but retain there a
modest DOS partion (D:).  If I install the 4 disk "trial" system using
the orignal "prep", all goes well and I have a system I can boot from
hd1, except that, should I run DOS/Windows again, the D: partition is
gone (the partition table has been destroyed, presumably).  It doesn't
matter if I partition the disk with the D: partition at the start or
end of the disk.  On the other hand, if I try the same things using the
new prep, prep complains with
	error 23: Not enough room for boot area

Aside from the notion of moving most of what's on C: to D: and installing
plan9 on C:, can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong or what I might try?

Richard



>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 16:20:17 1995
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Okay, so I've grabbed the PC distribution from plan9.att.com
and seem to have it running reasonably well on my AT&T 6386/SX WGS.
(Although, it refuses to load on my 386DX40 clone. It says it doesn't see
my IDE drive?!).  

So, short of downloading the man pages _en masse_, how do I get 
more information?  I've printed out most of the documents
available on the Web page under Volume 2.

Thanks!
Andy
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>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 18:48:20 1995
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Just out of curiosity, what sort of legal permission, if any, was required
to get Bela Lugosi et al's picture on the first edition cdrom?




>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 21:01:53 1995
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Ok, so I tried to install the floppy distribution on one of my PCs today,
and here's what my experiences were (roughly):

9 doesn't seem to want to talk to my Maxtor 7546A drive at all. This is a
plain one-year-old 540MB IDE drive that works fine with linux, so there
shouldn't be any problem with using non-BIOS-oriented I/O. More precisely,
when I booted the first time, it said that it couldn't find my primary DOS
partition, which sure isn't terribly informative, but at least "you will
have to change your hardware configuration" was somewhere close to the
point. After fiddling around with the disk and booting it to a shell, I found
that there's no hint of a /dev/hd0disk, etc, even though #H had been bound.
To make sure that I wasn't going totally nuts, I tried the same floppy on a
variety of other IDE disks (which I can't use at moment because there's
stuff on them). All of the other disks were recognized (/dev entries
showing up, etc), so there's something particular with this one. I don't
know if it's something with Maxtor as a vendor, because one of the other
disks is also a Maxtor. So tomorrow I'll do some shuffling, to see if it
installs ok on another disk.

(I tried the disk on a few different controllers and computers.)

So then to my "opinionated" comments, which may or may not mean anything to
you:

There were seemingly no diagnostics at all telling me if the bind #H failed.
In fact, in cpurc, they're all > /dev/null >[2=1]ed out. I got rid of those
and still didn't get anything. The same goes for the mounts after that,
except that they actually say something when they fail -- they tell you the
command failed (but don't say that they failed because the device didn't
exist). A little more feedback from these commands would have been nice.

The install program looks like the MS-DOS install program (which I grudgingly
had to run for the first time ever today. more on this later.). Admittedly,
I haven't gotten very far into it because of the above, but it's definitely
not my definition of pretty.

And about MS-DOS: I do hope this requirement can be dropped soon. I found
setting up MS-DOS to be quite painful. I can understand the need for
bootstrapping at first (linux and the "others" also had to do the same
thing in the early days), but let's please not get too used to it. :-) In
fact, the linux boot-loader should even be able to boot plan 9 if you
dropped it enough hints on the floor.

It's of course fun to play around a little with the mini-system on the boot
disk. Maybe that's just me.

Last and certainly not least: I (finally) got to see Plan 9 From Outer
Space in a Viennese theater last Sunday. How very excellent! An experience
no one should miss out on.




>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 21:40:56 1995
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>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 07:39:09 1995
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Ok, so I tried on a different drive this morning and eventually got it to
work. The following information may or may not be useful:

I installed it on my notebook, which has a 340MB disk, 16MB RAM, and an
i486dx4/100. Linux was installed on this machine, but there was a 32MB
swap partition, so I had the bright idea to install the DOS and plan 9
partitions over that. I used one of my other linux boxen to prepare the
floppy (had to replace the "prep" command on it), and proceeded. You don't
need to have much of DOS at all on the disk; all you have to do is:

 - boot with 1st ms-dos disk and exit the setup program as soon as it starts
 - "fdisk" and make a tiny DOS partition (I used 4MB but it could be
    smaller, I'm sure)
 - computer will reboot when you exit fdisk (stupid hardware, stupid software)
 - do step 1 again (wince harder this time)
 - "format c: /s"
 - if you have linux installed on the disk, you need to do an fdisk /mbr
     (please see linux notes below!)
 - replace DOS trash-disk with plan 9 boot disk and type "b".

Here's where I ran into trouble. The place on the disk I was planning to
install plan 9 was in between my / and /usr linux partitions. The plan 9
boot disk booted and seemingly took the first partition on the disk (my /) 
to be the DOS partition and when I told it to install the plan 9 DOS files,
it waltzed right over that. I suspected this when I rebooted and there was
no plan9 directory on the DOS partition. I knew it when I tried to boot
linux from floppy. So we now know that plan 9's install doesn't seem to
know the right way to find the "primary DOS partition."

The moral of this story is to back up everything on the disk beforehand even
if it is on another partition, because plan 9 will zing it ruthlessly --
even though I installed using the "fixed" prep command, it still went ahead
and zapped my /usr partition. I have a feeling that the fix was for
multiple partitions directly after the DOS trash (which seemingly has to be
the first on the disk) and not anything that may be after where you intend
to put plan 9. I'll try to confirm this later.

Ok, so now after / was gone, I just went ahead and put the DOS partition at
the beginning of the disk (as I described above) and went ahead with the
install. ("C'mon Bullwinkle.. that trick NEVER works.." "This time for
sure, Rocky!") Ok, this time it did work. However:

I couldn't get it to recognize the built-in PS/2 trackball or a serial Mouse
Systems mouse. Finally, I grudgingly pulled the Logitech MouseMan out of
my other Linux box, and that did work. I suppose I have to buy another
MouseMan, anyway (they cost $65 here, you know.). It didn't do 640x480x8
vga right, but it does do monochrome ok, as it should. I'm not surprised by
this because my notebook has a Cirrus 6440 chipset and that's still kind of a
rare beast (although XFree86 3.1.1 supports it). All of this fiddling
around meant a lot of rebooting and changing the plan9.ini file (through
the plan 9 install program, probably a silly thing to do). When booting the
install program, the kernel correctly says that I have a 2-slotted intel
xxxxx PCMCIA chipset in the notebook, but when I put in my 3Com 3C589 and
configure it in, it screws up and identifies it as a 1-slot Cirrus Logic
controller. Oh well, I'll see about it later.

It's really cool. In particular, acme feels great and is extremely
well-done. I can't find my break key (tried plokta) - don't know if this is
due to the smaller notebook keyboard or what. Anyway, it's an excellent
job, but I'd definitely recommend getting another hard disk before
installing.




>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 08:32:33 1995
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Those of you who received the first distribution were asked to mail
plan.9@research.att.com with questions.  We are turning off that
mail alias; use this 9fans list as a first place for queries from now on.
Thanks.




>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 15:59:14 1995
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>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 18:23:30 1995
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It seems that sometime between 15:00 on July 18th and 09:45 on July 19th
the file that holds the 9fans mailing list got truncated to zero bytes.

I have restored the list as of the 18th and added anyone who subscribed
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