* X11
@ 1997-05-02 18:58 David
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From: David @ 1997-05-02 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
> From: Boyd Roberts <boyd@france3.fr>
> From: Nigel Roles <ngr@symbionics.co.uk>
> Sounds fine, so long as it isn't compulsory to run it.....
Nobody's forcing you to run anything.
> i can't imagine why the x proponents would want to run all those horrible
> x programs. plan 9 doesn't have or need x. it's a _feature_.
I agree that X is horrible, but it is still useful to be
able to run X programs (netscape in particular). Ok, so
netscape is horrible too, but it's ``one of those programs
that you hate, but have to run''.
Until the world realizes that Plan 9 is the Uber Operating
System, and ports all the useful applications to it (or writes
Plan 9 replacements which are much, much better), it will be
useful to be able to run an X server under Plan 9.
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* X11
@ 1997-05-02 17:00 Digby
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From: Digby @ 1997-05-02 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
> From: Nigel Roles <ngr@symbionics.co.uk>
>
> Sounds fine, so long as it isn't compulsory to run it.....
>
>i can't imagine why the x proponents would want to run all those horrible
>x programs. plan 9 doesn't have or need x. it's a _feature_.
>
Well, personally, I am not desperate to make my plan9 screen look
like an X terminal. I am more looking to make my 21" 1600x1200
X terminal a plan9 console.... (and not have to sit next to a (YECH)
PC with a 14" display and vga resolution..)
And there are some X applications which I currently have to reboot
with Unix in order to run, which a server on plan9 could allow
to run without changeing os. Granted, a rewrite to use the Plan 9
native graphics would be nicer, but not always practical.
Perhaps we should distinguish between
1. Providing a filesystem which maps graphics requests to
the X network protocol, allowing plan9 apps to be run on an external
X display.
2. Providing an Xlib port (and maybe Xaw etc) libraries, allowing
X sources to be ported to plan9. This should be straight
forward using APE and the berkely sockets libs. (shouldn't it?)
Probably not too useful on its own, though.
3. Write a verssion of the Xlib libraries that produces graphics
according to the plan9 conventions. This would allow ported X
applications to run on native plan9. This might be hard, although
if it is possible to write an X server, it should be possible
as a worst case to build an image in memory and then write it
to a plan9 window periodically.
4. The X server program running in a plan9 window, allowing
external X based applications to be run from a plan9
console. With option 2, we also get to run ported X apps
on a standalone plan 9.
I have to admit, though, that I havn't learnt enough about plan9
graphics to say how feasible all these things are.
And yes, I know writing everything from scratch for plan9 would
be better. It is just that I don't see that happening in the short
term.
Regards,
DigbyT
--
Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~cthulhu/
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* X11
@ 1997-05-02 8:18 Boyd
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From: Boyd @ 1997-05-02 8:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
From: Nigel Roles <ngr@symbionics.co.uk>
Sounds fine, so long as it isn't compulsory to run it.....
i can't imagine why the x proponents would want to run all those horrible
x programs. plan 9 doesn't have or need x. it's a _feature_.
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* X11
@ 1997-05-02 7:04 Nigel
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From: Nigel @ 1997-05-02 7:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
Sounds fine, so long as it isn't compulsory to run it.....
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Hogan [SMTP:dhog@lore.plan9.cs.su.oz.au]
>Sent: Thursday, May 01, 1997 9:50 PM
>To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
>Subject: Re: X11
>
>> I put my X11 port, such as it is, on the ftp site
>> (plan9.bell-labs.com), under plan9/xsrc as
>> a gzipped tar file, xc.tar.gz. It's about 50 Megabytes.
>
>I would like to volunteer to maintain a Plan 9 version of
>this (after it is back-ported from Brazil). I will be
>looking into porting it on the weekend; if anyone else
>decides to have a go, could they please contact me so
>that we can divide the work somehow? I don't have a huge
>amount of spare time, so help would be useful.
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* X11
@ 1997-05-01 20:50 David
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From: David @ 1997-05-01 20:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
> I put my X11 port, such as it is, on the ftp site
> (plan9.bell-labs.com), under plan9/xsrc as
> a gzipped tar file, xc.tar.gz. It's about 50 Megabytes.
I would like to volunteer to maintain a Plan 9 version of
this (after it is back-ported from Brazil). I will be
looking into porting it on the weekend; if anyone else
decides to have a go, could they please contact me so
that we can divide the work somehow? I don't have a huge
amount of spare time, so help would be useful.
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* X11
@ 1997-05-01 17:51 howard
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From: howard @ 1997-05-01 17:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
I put my X11 port, such as it is, on the ftp site
(plan9.bell-labs.com), under plan9/xsrc as
a gzipped tar file, xc.tar.gz. It's about 50 Megabytes.
Howard Trickey
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