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From: Sape Mullender <sape@plan9.bell-labs.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] QTCTL?
Date: Thu,  1 Nov 2007 12:58:03 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1e3bc7798b6eeadd827686536b41ec68@plan9.bell-labs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CD011460-455B-44B5-9DF3-73BB13EC37D1@lanl.gov>

> In the case of read cache (which is probably going to be used more  
> often than write-cache), the client needs to send two RPC every time  
> a writer modifies the cached file. What if Rlease doesn't necessary  
> break the lease, but have an option (negotiated in Tcache) to let the  
> client know that the file is changed without breaking the lease.
> 
> Thanks,
> 	Lucho

Another point in this discussion:
1. Most files are not shared
2. Some files are read-shared
3. Very, very few files are read-write shared
(Satya did some research on this at CMU — quite some time ago)

Having said that, we do want correct semantics all the time,
especially for read-write sharing.
A file server can use heuristics to decide the time out for leases.
For example, it could always grant 10-minute leases to begin with.
Doesn't cost a thing unless the client refuses to return a lease early
(but clients will be rarely asked to do so).
With updates in the recent past, or with the first occurrence of
read-write sharing, lease times can be drastically reduced.

Note that for files not shared or read-shared, call backs do not happen,
so lease calls will occur at the rate of the lease time, which is
once every few minutes.  Big deal.

	Sape


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-11-01 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-31 18:40 Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-10-31 18:56 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-10-31 19:13   ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-31 19:33     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-10-31 19:39       ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-31 20:43     ` geoff
2007-10-31 21:32       ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-31 22:48       ` roger peppe
2007-10-31 23:35         ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01  9:29           ` roger peppe
2007-11-01 11:03             ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-11-01 11:19               ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 12:11             ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-31 19:42 ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-31 19:49   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-10-31 20:03     ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-31 20:10       ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-10-31 20:12       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-10-31 20:17       ` Russ Cox
2007-10-31 20:29         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-10-31 20:48           ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-31 21:23             ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-10-31 21:40               ` Russ Cox
2007-10-31 22:11                 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-31 22:26                 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-10-31 22:37                   ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-31 22:43                     ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-10-31 23:32                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-10-31 23:41                       ` [V9fs-developer] " Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                       ` <606b6f003ae9f0ed3e8c3c5f90ddc720@terzarima.net>
2007-11-01  1:13                         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-10-31 23:54                   ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01  0:03                     ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01  1:25                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-11-01  1:44                       ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01  2:15                         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-11-01  7:34                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-11-01  6:21                 ` Bakul Shah
2007-11-01 14:28                   ` Russ Cox
2007-11-01 14:38                     ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01 14:41                     ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 15:26                     ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 15:51                       ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-11-01 16:04                         ` ron minnich
2007-11-01 16:16                           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-11-01 16:21                           ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 16:58                             ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 17:11                               ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 17:11                                 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 17:13                               ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 17:38                               ` ron minnich
2007-11-01 17:56                                 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 18:01                                   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 18:52                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-11-01 19:29                                     ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 23:24                                   ` ron minnich
2007-11-01 17:03                           ` Russ Cox
2007-11-01 17:12                             ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 17:35                               ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01 18:36                                 ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01 17:13                             ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 17:16                               ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 17:20                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 17:52                             ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-11-01 18:00                             ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-11-01 18:03                               ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 18:08                                 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-11-01 18:16                                   ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01 18:19                                   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 18:35                                     ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 19:09                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 19:07                                         ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01 17:14                           ` Bakul Shah
2007-11-01 16:17                         ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 16:27                           ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 16:58                         ` Sape Mullender [this message]
2007-11-01 16:59                     ` Bakul Shah
2007-11-01  4:21 Brian L. Stuart

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