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From: "Francisco J Ballesteros" <nemo@lsub.org>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] QTCTL?
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:29:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ccc8ba40710311329g344868dj35c3c245d26b2154@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ee9e417a0710311317q63988bf7xc987fbc5ae92b5b3@mail.gmail.com>

It´s not "synthetic vs stored on disk".
It´s "behaves like a file vs does not".

For example, some files in omero may be large (images)
and it´s nice to cache them. But some files do not behave as files
(you open OTRUNC, rewrite, and might read something else from it later)

In the octopus we mount devices, yet we want to cache most
of their structure/data.

For a local area network, it´s ok to say "do not cache at all".
But IMHO, for a wide area network, or slow adsl lines, it´s not so ok.

Regarding coherency, you always have races, you have to reach
the server anyway and that takes time. But in many cases this is not
a problem. When it is, I agree that you have to use something else or
put something else within the file server involved.



On 10/31/07, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:
> Plan 9's default is not to cache,
> making a "don't cache this" bit
> unnecessary.  If the user explicitly
> requests caching (by using cfs, say),
> then he's responsible for making sure
> it is appropriate.
>
> If I tell the computer to cache /net,
> that's not the computer's problem,
> any more than if I bind /proc /net.
>
> Since there's no coherence protocol
> anyway, caching can't be done automatically.
> It might give the right answer most of
> the time, but it will screw up corner cases
> and make the system more fragile.
>
> This whole synthetic vs not mentality
> is Unix brain-damange.  On Plan 9 there
> is no distinction.  Everything is synthetic
> (or everything is not, depending on your
> point of view).
>
> Russ
>

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-31 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-31 18:40 Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-10-31 18:56 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-10-31 19:13   ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-31 19:33     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-10-31 19:39       ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-31 20:43     ` geoff
2007-10-31 21:32       ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-31 22:48       ` roger peppe
2007-10-31 23:35         ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01  9:29           ` roger peppe
2007-11-01 11:03             ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-11-01 11:19               ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 12:11             ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-31 19:42 ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-31 19:49   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-10-31 20:03     ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-31 20:10       ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-10-31 20:12       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-10-31 20:17       ` Russ Cox
2007-10-31 20:29         ` Francisco J Ballesteros [this message]
2007-10-31 20:48           ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-31 21:23             ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-10-31 21:40               ` Russ Cox
2007-10-31 22:11                 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-31 22:26                 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-10-31 22:37                   ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-31 22:43                     ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-10-31 23:32                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-10-31 23:41                       ` [V9fs-developer] " Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                       ` <606b6f003ae9f0ed3e8c3c5f90ddc720@terzarima.net>
2007-11-01  1:13                         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-10-31 23:54                   ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01  0:03                     ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01  1:25                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-11-01  1:44                       ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01  2:15                         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-11-01  7:34                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-11-01  6:21                 ` Bakul Shah
2007-11-01 14:28                   ` Russ Cox
2007-11-01 14:38                     ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01 14:41                     ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 15:26                     ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 15:51                       ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-11-01 16:04                         ` ron minnich
2007-11-01 16:16                           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-11-01 16:21                           ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 16:58                             ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 17:11                               ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 17:11                                 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 17:13                               ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 17:38                               ` ron minnich
2007-11-01 17:56                                 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 18:01                                   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 18:52                                   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-11-01 19:29                                     ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 23:24                                   ` ron minnich
2007-11-01 17:03                           ` Russ Cox
2007-11-01 17:12                             ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 17:35                               ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01 18:36                                 ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01 17:13                             ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 17:16                               ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 17:20                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 17:52                             ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-11-01 18:00                             ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-11-01 18:03                               ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 18:08                                 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2007-11-01 18:16                                   ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01 18:19                                   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-11-01 18:35                                     ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 19:09                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2007-11-01 19:07                                         ` erik quanstrom
2007-11-01 17:14                           ` Bakul Shah
2007-11-01 16:17                         ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 16:27                           ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 16:58                         ` Sape Mullender
2007-11-01 16:59                     ` Bakul Shah
2007-11-01  4:21 Brian L. Stuart

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