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From: presotto@closedmind.org
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] design issues in operating systems
Date: Mon,  3 Dec 2001 11:27:26 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011203162728.90CD5199B5@mail.cse.psu.edu> (raw)

Anothy stole my thunder.  Plan 9 is also a result of
years of churn.  No original code or interface has
survived though some general principles have.

- name spaces should be subjective
- most objects should live in those name spaces
- simplicity is preferable to bells and whistles

If anything, we regularly go through and rewrite
the kernel and every command if we think something can
be done better.  It is a research system and we're not
very interested in backward compatability and only mildly
in a large user community.  We steal equally from everyone we
can, modulo an NIH attitude that's always hard to shake
in a big corp.

Linus started with an incredibly detailed design that
took years to make usable.  He started with the system,
library, and user interfaces of a well used and mature
system.  That's a hell of a lot more design than we stared
with in Plan 9 and it's remained a lot more immutable
than Plan 9's.

I agree with Linus that you can't design and then
walk away, but then again, I don't know anyone
who would agree with that.  It may just seem that
way because mature systems eventually bog down
under the weight of their own backward compatibility.


             reply	other threads:[~2001-12-03 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-03 16:27 presotto [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-12-05  8:49 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2001-12-04 17:27 erik quanstrom
2001-12-04 10:36 forsyth
2001-12-03 22:50 jmk
2001-12-03 21:34 rob pike
2001-12-03 22:01 ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-04 19:05   ` Dan Cross
2001-12-04 21:59     ` Alexander Viro
2001-12-07  9:36       ` Barry
2001-12-03 21:31 rob pike
2001-12-03 16:07 anothy
2001-12-03 16:04 ` Lucio De Re
2001-12-03 15:45 bwc
2001-12-03 14:49 bwc
2001-12-02 17:05 Andrey A Mirtchovski
2001-12-03 10:09 ` josh d
2001-12-03 15:24   ` Ronald G Minnich
2001-12-03 15:08     ` Lucio De Re
2001-12-03 15:48     ` andrey
2001-12-03 18:03   ` Ozan Yigit
2001-12-03 20:51     ` Mike Haertel
2001-12-03 10:10 ` north_
2001-12-03 16:55   ` John S. Dyson
2001-12-05  9:56   ` Douglas A. Gwyn

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