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From: Jon Snader <jsnader@ix.netcom.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] troff and 4.4BSD man pages
Date: Mon,  7 Jun 2004 09:19:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040607131901.GA84365@ix.netcom.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <066dnYC6OPYyzlzdRVn-jw@comcast.com>

On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 08:55:11AM +0000, Douglas A. Gwyn wrote:
> boyd, rounin wrote:
> >i think we [Christophe ?] and i found that the registers could
> >be now named with multi char names, yesterday.  iirc:
> >    .nr foo 1 1
> >    ...
> >    \([foo]
> >now, that is not troff.
> 
> What is especially unfortunate is that SoftQuad did a
> better job of designing such extensions to troff, but
> whoever did the above came up with an incompatible
> scheme.

What's unfortunate is that we are spending more and more of our
time on this list bashing Unix/Linux/Gnu, instead of addressing
the advantages and problems with Plan 9.  It's always fun to stick
a finger in the eye of a competitor, of course, but providing a
vehicle for this pleasure is not my understanding of what Plan 9
is all about.

What's unfortunate is that our bashing is often misinformed, both
in spirit and in detail.  The above comments are a case in point.
Is there anyone here who really maintains that the two character
name space in [nt]roff is not a disadvantage?  Why should we
complain that groff has removed this disadvantage?  Why should we
not remove it from [nt]roff?  The answer given above is that the
extension is incompatible, but that is incorrect.  The groff
rules for using registers are the same as for [nt]roff except
that register names greater than 3 characters use brackets
*instead* of the opening parenthesis:

    \n[foo]  (NOT \([foo])
    \*[bar]
    etc.

Since I have personally typeset many of the Version 7 papers with
groff, I can attest to its compatibility with [nt]roff.

What's unfortunate is that many of us here act as if no one else has
anything to teach us.  Plan 9 is great software and a shining
example of excellence in design, but just maybe it isn't the
final answer on all questions.

jcs


  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-07 13:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-01 11:09 [9fans] GNU Make lucio
2004-06-01 16:37 ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-01 21:03   ` ron minnich
2004-06-01 21:09     ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-01 21:43     ` Russ Cox
2004-06-01 21:49       ` ron minnich
2004-06-01 22:03         ` Russ Cox
2004-06-01 22:08           ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-02  5:34     ` lucio
2004-06-02  7:36       ` Charles Forsyth
2004-06-02  9:07         ` John Murdie
2004-06-02  9:39           ` Charles Forsyth
2004-06-02 16:12         ` ron minnich
2004-06-02 16:24           ` lucio
2004-06-02 16:54             ` ron minnich
2004-06-02 16:56               ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-03  6:41                 ` lucio
2004-06-03  8:49                   ` Charles Forsyth
2004-06-03  9:16                     ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-03  9:50                       ` Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) lucio
2004-06-03 14:01                         ` rog
2004-06-03 13:54                           ` Charles Forsyth
2004-06-03 14:19                             ` rog
2004-06-03 14:18                               ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-03 14:31                                 ` lucio
2004-06-03 14:33                                 ` rog
2004-06-03 14:58                               ` Charles Forsyth
2004-06-03 15:13                                 ` lucio
2004-06-03 15:17                                 ` rog
2004-06-03 16:12                                   ` C H Forsyth
2004-06-03 16:18                                     ` rog
2004-06-03 16:18                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2004-06-03 16:38                                         ` rog
2004-06-03 16:56                                           ` C H Forsyth
2004-06-03 17:03                                             ` rog
2004-06-03 17:15                                               ` C H Forsyth
2004-06-03 17:25                                                 ` rog
2004-06-03 19:10                                               ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-03 19:08                                           ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-03 19:35                                             ` rog
2004-06-03 19:46                                               ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-03 20:06                                                 ` rog
2004-06-03 22:09                                                   ` Charles Forsyth
2004-06-04  1:05                                                     ` Bruce Ellis
2004-06-04  1:56                                                       ` Scott Schwartz
2004-06-04  2:10                                                         ` Bruce Ellis
2004-06-04  2:46                                                           ` Russ Cox
2004-06-04  8:08                                                           ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                                                       ` <013301c449d2$95929d30$637f7d50@SOMA>
2004-06-04 12:16                                                         ` Bruce Ellis
2004-06-08 15:17                                                       ` rog
2004-06-03 14:06                           ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-03 14:21                             ` rog
2004-06-03 10:31                       ` [9fans] GNU Make lucio
2004-06-03 14:53                         ` Rob Pike
2004-06-03 15:01                           ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-03 15:04                           ` lucio
2004-06-03 15:16                             ` Rob Pike
2004-06-03 15:33                               ` rog
2004-06-03 15:40                                 ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-03 15:58                                   ` lucio
2004-06-03 15:40                               ` lucio
2004-06-03 15:20                             ` [9fans] internationalised error messages boyd, rounin
2004-06-02 21:30         ` [9fans] GNU Make boyd, rounin
2004-06-02  8:54       ` Richard Miller
2004-06-02  9:17         ` lucio
2004-06-02  9:54           ` Charles Forsyth
2004-06-02 16:15           ` ron minnich
2004-06-02 17:00           ` Steve Simon
2004-06-03  5:14             ` lucio
2004-06-02 14:00       ` ron minnich
2004-06-02 14:36         ` C H Forsyth
2004-06-02 14:33           ` Charles Forsyth
2004-06-02 15:24         ` Charles Forsyth
2004-06-02 15:56           ` lucio
2004-06-02 16:11           ` lucio
2004-06-02 19:28             ` Joel Salomon
2004-06-03  4:43               ` [9fans] troff and 4.4BSD man pages Lyndon Nerenberg
2004-06-03  5:54                 ` Taj Khattra
2004-06-03  8:26                 ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-07  8:55                   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2004-06-07 13:19                     ` Jon Snader [this message]
     [not found]                       ` <z4udnTOQMJVTdlndRVn-jg@comcast.com>
2004-06-10 10:58                         ` Aharon Robbins
2004-06-10 12:40                           ` rog
2004-06-10 13:24                             ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2004-06-03 10:13                 ` Bruce Ellis
2004-06-03 10:17                   ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-03 10:27                     ` lucio
2004-06-03 10:29                     ` Bruce Ellis
2004-06-03 10:26                       ` boyd, rounin
2004-06-03 11:18                         ` Bruce Ellis
2004-06-03  1:57             ` [9fans] GNU Make a
2004-06-03  3:31               ` Kenji Okamoto

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