* [9fans] FYI: plan9 on qemu on freebsd
@ 2005-05-27 22:45 Bakul Shah
2005-05-27 22:51 ` Roman Shaposhnick
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From: Bakul Shah @ 2005-05-27 22:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
Installing plan9 under qemu takes a long time (3+ hours) but
once installed, it works well. Its performance is good
enough for real work if the kqemu kernel module is used.
I did notice a few strange things.
- some basic timing seems to be messed up. sleep <n>
blocks for roughly <n>/10 of real time (but not always --
`time sleep <n>' is more like <n>/7).
- date seems to flip between current time and jan 2 2000
without any discernible pattern.
- occasionally the display goes blank and you have to click
somewhere in the plan9 screen to refresh it.
Other oses under qemu do not have these problems.
More on installation:
To speed up the installation I have tried various tricks
(including installing on a memory disk) but nothing made any
real difference.
I just tried this again:
qemu-img create plan9.disk 4G
qemu -cdrom plan9.iso -boot d plan9.disk
This time I chose fossil+venti. Clearing a 3GB venti arena
happens very fast, at a rate of 10+ MBps, but the copydist
step took 3:24 hours on a 2.4GHz celeron! I do not see such
speed problems with other OSes under qemu.
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* Re: [9fans] FYI: plan9 on qemu on freebsd
2005-05-27 22:45 [9fans] FYI: plan9 on qemu on freebsd Bakul Shah
@ 2005-05-27 22:51 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2005-05-27 23:11 ` Bakul Shah
2005-05-28 2:14 ` William Josephson
[not found] ` <000001c5630f$dbbf6520$14aaa8c0@utelsystems.local>
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From: Roman Shaposhnick @ 2005-05-27 22:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 03:45:46PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
> Installing plan9 under qemu takes a long time (3+ hours)
It was even longer in my case (5+ hours) which makes me
wonder if there's a chance of making preinstalled disk
images of plan9 under qemu available for a generic consumption,
so that others do not have to waste that much time.
> I just tried this again:
>
> qemu-img create plan9.disk 4G
> qemu -cdrom plan9.iso -boot d plan9.disk
How do you boot once Plan9 gets installed ? I had to resort to
floppy disk boot, because it didn't really want to boot
from a freshly installed HDD image.
Thanks,
Roman.
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* Re: [9fans] FYI: plan9 on qemu on freebsd
2005-05-27 22:51 ` Roman Shaposhnick
@ 2005-05-27 23:11 ` Bakul Shah
2005-05-27 23:19 ` Roman Shaposhnick
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Bakul Shah @ 2005-05-27 23:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> > Installing plan9 under qemu takes a long time (3+ hours)
>
> It was even longer in my case (5+ hours) which makes me
> wonder if there's a chance of making preinstalled disk
> images of plan9 under qemu available for a generic consumption,
> so that others do not have to waste that much time.
I can supply image or two if people are interested but it
will need to be copied to a site with a fatter pipe.
Plan9/qemu file write speed is less than 1MBps while
freebsd/qemu does over 10MBps (the host give me 50MBps for
file writes). So I hope there is a right `hack' that can
help improve disk speed quite a bit + speed up install. But
it will take me a while to come up to speed to do this.
> > I just tried this again:
> >
> > qemu-img create plan9.disk 4G
> > qemu -cdrom plan9.iso -boot d plan9.disk
>
> How do you boot once Plan9 gets installed ? I had to resort to
> floppy disk boot, because it didn't really want to boot
> from a freshly installed HDD image.
During one of the earlier steps I installed mbr, and chose
`boot from plan9' option. But I didn't do anything special.
May be you are using an earlier version of qemu which had
some problems. I am running qemu-0.7.0 from ports + hand
built kqemu (but
cd /usr/ports/emulators/qemu && make -DWITH_KQEMU
should also work). Note that under FreeBSD you *must*
rebuild kqemu if you rebuild the kernel.
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* Re: [9fans] FYI: plan9 on qemu on freebsd
2005-05-27 23:11 ` Bakul Shah
@ 2005-05-27 23:19 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2005-05-27 23:44 ` boyd, rounin
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From: Roman Shaposhnick @ 2005-05-27 23:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 04:11:11PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
> > > Installing plan9 under qemu takes a long time (3+ hours)
> >
> > It was even longer in my case (5+ hours) which makes me
> > wonder if there's a chance of making preinstalled disk
> > images of plan9 under qemu available for a generic consumption,
> > so that others do not have to waste that much time.
>
> I can supply image or two if people are interested but it
> will need to be copied to a site with a fatter pipe.
Actually I was talking more about putting these images
onto http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/plan9dist.
I'd wait for somebody from the labs to comment on that.
Thanks,
Roman.
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* Re: [9fans] FYI: plan9 on qemu on freebsd
2005-05-27 23:19 ` Roman Shaposhnick
@ 2005-05-27 23:44 ` boyd, rounin
2005-05-28 1:35 ` Tim Newsham
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2005-05-27 23:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> Actually I was talking more about putting these images
> onto http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/plan9dist.
nah, put 'em in /n/sources/contrib/<you>/... and add a link from the wiki.
--
MGRS 31U DQ 52572 12604
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* Re: [9fans] FYI: plan9 on qemu on freebsd
2005-05-27 23:44 ` boyd, rounin
@ 2005-05-28 1:35 ` Tim Newsham
2005-05-28 1:41 ` Russ Cox
2005-05-28 19:26 ` bakul+plan9
0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Tim Newsham @ 2005-05-28 1:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> nah, put 'em in /n/sources/contrib/<you>/... and add a link from the wiki.
Hmm.. might take longer than the install time to download it
from sources :) I'm not sure what other people's experiences
are like, but I dont get very high bandwidth from sources.
The Free Operating Systems Zoo might be a good place to host
an image: http://www.freeoszoo.org/
Tim Newsham
http://www.lava.net/~newsham/
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* Re: [9fans] FYI: plan9 on qemu on freebsd
2005-05-28 1:35 ` Tim Newsham
@ 2005-05-28 1:41 ` Russ Cox
2005-05-28 19:26 ` bakul+plan9
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From: Russ Cox @ 2005-05-28 1:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
If you use fcp instead of cp it might work faster.
Russ
On 5/27/05, Tim Newsham <newsham@lava.net> wrote:
> > nah, put 'em in /n/sources/contrib/<you>/... and add a link from the wiki.
>
> Hmm.. might take longer than the install time to download it
> from sources :) I'm not sure what other people's experiences
> are like, but I dont get very high bandwidth from sources.
>
> The Free Operating Systems Zoo might be a good place to host
> an image: http://www.freeoszoo.org/
>
> Tim Newsham
> http://www.lava.net/~newsham/
>
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* Re: [9fans] FYI: plan9 on qemu on freebsd
2005-05-27 22:45 [9fans] FYI: plan9 on qemu on freebsd Bakul Shah
2005-05-27 22:51 ` Roman Shaposhnick
@ 2005-05-28 2:14 ` William Josephson
[not found] ` <000001c5630f$dbbf6520$14aaa8c0@utelsystems.local>
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From: William Josephson @ 2005-05-28 2:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 03:45:46PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
> This time I chose fossil+venti. Clearing a 3GB venti arena
> happens very fast, at a rate of 10+ MBps, but the copydist
> step took 3:24 hours on a 2.4GHz celeron! I do not see such
> speed problems with other OSes under qemu.
Clearly you have not tried installing Windows XP SP 2.
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* Re: [9fans] FYI: plan9 on qemu on freebsd
2005-05-28 1:35 ` Tim Newsham
2005-05-28 1:41 ` Russ Cox
@ 2005-05-28 19:26 ` bakul+plan9
1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: bakul+plan9 @ 2005-05-28 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> The Free Operating Systems Zoo might be a good place to host
> an image: http://www.freeoszoo.org/
this won't violate the plan9 licence in any way?
having a freely available image + qemu will allow a lot more
people to experiment with plan9 but the time to install and
get everything right is daunting.
is there is a console based installation? if so one can
create a script that automates all the steps. hmm....
actually this may already be (painfully) possible -- one can
feed qemu individual keystrokes. now where did i misplace my
free time?
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* Re: [9fans] FYI: plan9 on qemu on freebsd
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@ 2005-05-30 7:54 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
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From: "Nils O. Selåsdal" @ 2005-05-30 7:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Roman Shaposhnick wrote:
> On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 03:45:46PM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
>
>>Installing plan9 under qemu takes a long time (3+ hours)
>
>
> It was even longer in my case (5+ hours) which makes me
> wonder if there's a chance of making preinstalled disk
> images of plan9 under qemu available for a generic consumption,
> so that others do not have to waste that much time.
I have a 512Mb hdimage of a fresh install at
http://asgaard.homelinux.org/plan9/Plan9-hdimage.gz
(also at http://www.9grid.de/plan9/Plan9-hdimage.gz)
uncompress and run qemu -boot c -hda Plan9-hdimage
(Should the above distribution of these image conflict
with any license clauses I'm not aware of, let me know...)
--
Nils O. Selåsdal
www.utelsystems.com
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