* [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...
@ 2006-08-08 18:51 Paul Lalonde
2006-08-09 20:23 ` Benn Newman
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From: Paul Lalonde @ 2006-08-08 18:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html
Essentially the same feature set. Anyone know what the tech is
behind this?
Paul
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* Re: [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...
2006-08-08 18:51 [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac Paul Lalonde
@ 2006-08-09 20:23 ` Benn Newman
2006-08-09 21:20 ` John Floren
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From: Benn Newman @ 2006-08-09 20:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Paul Lalonde said:
> Essentially the same feature set. Anyone know what the tech is
> behind this?
Ha! You are talking about Apple. What do you expect? ;)
--
Benn Newman
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* Re: [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...
2006-08-09 20:23 ` Benn Newman
@ 2006-08-09 21:20 ` John Floren
2006-08-09 21:52 ` Paul Lalonde
2006-08-09 22:48 ` David Leimbach
0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: John Floren @ 2006-08-09 21:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On 8/9/06, Benn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> Paul Lalonde said:
> > Essentially the same feature set. Anyone know what the tech is
> > behind this?
> Ha! You are talking about Apple. What do you expect? ;)
> --
> Benn Newman
>
Well, Xerox never had this... hmm. I guess Apple has had to borrow
from other places too. Guesses on how long it will be before Windows
has this?
Cheers
John
--
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" -- Shakespeare, Henry VI
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* Re: [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...
2006-08-09 21:20 ` John Floren
@ 2006-08-09 21:52 ` Paul Lalonde
2006-08-10 7:29 ` cyspace
2006-08-09 22:48 ` David Leimbach
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From: Paul Lalonde @ 2006-08-09 21:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
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There are a couple of things I do expect to see in Apple's version
that will make life easier for me.
I had to wrap my snapshot taking in a pile of scripts to track the
hash of the previous snapshots of the various trees I choose to back
up, or else performance went completely to hell. As is, a snapshot
is way expensive - I don't do them as often as I'd like. Ideally my
script would be clever enough to cache file modification times and
only re-snap the changes, but that way lies madness and a loss of the
fire-and-forget advantage Venti has. Not to mention how painful it
is to read my past snapshots through 9P without a decent browser...
I'm pretty sure apple's version won't need these kinds of voodoo from
the user - the UI is likely to be pretty and functional.
On 9-Aug-06, at 2:20 PM, John Floren wrote:
> On 8/9/06, Benn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>> Paul Lalonde said:
>> > Essentially the same feature set. Anyone know what the tech is
>> > behind this?
>> Ha! You are talking about Apple. What do you expect? ;)
>> --
>> Benn Newman
>>
> Well, Xerox never had this... hmm. I guess Apple has had to borrow
> from other places too. Guesses on how long it will be before Windows
> has this?
> Cheers
>
> John
> --
> "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" -- Shakespeare,
> Henry VI
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* Re: Re: [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...
2006-08-09 21:20 ` John Floren
2006-08-09 21:52 ` Paul Lalonde
@ 2006-08-09 22:48 ` David Leimbach
2006-08-09 23:12 ` Corey
1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: David Leimbach @ 2006-08-09 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
On 8/9/06, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/9/06, Benn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> > Paul Lalonde said:
> > > Essentially the same feature set. Anyone know what the tech is
> > > behind this?
> > Ha! You are talking about Apple. What do you expect? ;)
> > --
> > Benn Newman
> >
> Well, Xerox never had this... hmm. I guess Apple has had to borrow
> from other places too. Guesses on how long it will be before Windows
> has this?
> Cheers
>
The claim is windows already had this in 2003 with "shadow files" or
some such thing...
Dave
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* Re: [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...
2006-08-09 22:48 ` David Leimbach
@ 2006-08-09 23:12 ` Corey
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Corey @ 2006-08-09 23:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 15:48, David Leimbach wrote:
> On 8/9/06, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 8/9/06, Benn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> > > Paul Lalonde said:
> > > > Essentially the same feature set. Anyone know what the tech is
> > > > behind this?
>
> The claim is windows already had this in 2003 with "shadow files" or
> some such thing...
>
There's also Dirvish:
http://www.dirvish.org/
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* Re: [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...
2006-08-09 21:52 ` Paul Lalonde
@ 2006-08-10 7:29 ` cyspace
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: cyspace @ 2006-08-10 7:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Hi, I read sometime ago about Sun's ZFS Filesystem and it has been
described as one of the most "advanced file systems on the
planet.." (Plan9 notwithstanding :-)). Among its many features are a
set of flexible, dynamic and complex snap-shotting capabilities that
sound very much like the technology that could underly Apple
Leopard's new back-p capabilities. This is all the more interesting
in that ZFS was and has been vigorously discussed within Apple as a
contender for the successor to the hybrid HFS+ OS X presently labous
under. As Steve Jobs announced they were deliberately not going to
announce several key Leopard technologies this could be a
possibility. Just speculating,
Cheers,
Cy
On 9 Aug 2006, at 22:52, Paul Lalonde wrote:
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> There are a couple of things I do expect to see in Apple's version
> that will make life easier for me.
> I had to wrap my snapshot taking in a pile of scripts to track the
> hash of the previous snapshots of the various trees I choose to
> back up, or else performance went completely to hell. As is, a
> snapshot is way expensive - I don't do them as often as I'd like.
> Ideally my script would be clever enough to cache file modification
> times and only re-snap the changes, but that way lies madness and a
> loss of the fire-and-forget advantage Venti has. Not to mention
> how painful it is to read my past snapshots through 9P without a
> decent browser...
> I'm pretty sure apple's version won't need these kinds of voodoo
> from the user - the UI is likely to be pretty and functional.
>
> On 9-Aug-06, at 2:20 PM, John Floren wrote:
>
>> On 8/9/06, Benn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>>> Paul Lalonde said:
>>> > Essentially the same feature set. Anyone know what the tech is
>>> > behind this?
>>> Ha! You are talking about Apple. What do you expect? ;)
>>> --
>>> Benn Newman
>>>
>> Well, Xerox never had this... hmm. I guess Apple has had to borrow
>> from other places too. Guesses on how long it will be before Windows
>> has this?
>> Cheers
>>
>> John
>> --
>> "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" --
>> Shakespeare, Henry VI
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