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From: Bakul Shah <bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] security questions
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:07:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090417020731.A822E5B1B@mail.bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:25:06 EDT." <9ab217670904161825k467a8a4ew31689b207f6ab984@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:25:06 EDT "Devon H. O'Dell" <devon.odell@gmail.com>  wrote:
> That said, I don't disagree. Perhaps Plan 9's environment hasn't been
> assumed to contain malicious users. Which brings up the question: Can
> Plan 9 be safely run in a potentially malicious environment?  Based on
> this argument, no, it cannot. Since I want to run Plan 9 in this sort
> of environment (and thus move away from that assumption), I want to
> address these problems, and I kind of feel like it's weird to be
> essentially told, ``Don't do that.''

Why not give each user a virtual plan9? Not like vmware/qemu
but more like FreeBSD's jail(8), "done more elegantly"[TM]!
To deal with potentially malicious users you can virtualize
resources, backed by limited/configurable real resources.

The other thought that comes to mind is to consider something
like class based queuing (from the networking world).  That
is, allow choice of different allocation/scheduling/resource
use policies and allow further subdivision. Then you can give
preferential treatment to known good guys.  Other users can
still experiment to their heart's content within the
resources allowed them.

My point being think of a consistent high level model that
you like and then worry about implementation details.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-17  2:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-16 17:47 Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-16 18:30 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-16 19:14   ` Venkatesh Srinivas
2009-04-16 20:10     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-16 20:19       ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  4:48         ` lucio
2009-04-17  5:03           ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17  9:47             ` lucio
2009-04-17 10:24               ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17 11:55                 ` lucio
2009-04-17 13:08                   ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17 14:15                     ` gdiaz
2009-04-17 16:39                     ` lucio
     [not found]                   ` <6FD675BC714D323BF959A53B@192.168.1.2>
2009-04-17 16:15                     ` Robert Raschke
2009-04-17 20:12                       ` John Barham
2009-04-17 21:40                         ` blstuart
2009-04-17 16:32               ` [9fans] VMs, etc. (was: Re: security questions) blstuart
2009-04-17 17:11                 ` tlaronde
2009-04-17 17:29                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 18:18                     ` tlaronde
2009-04-17 19:00                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 18:50                     ` blstuart
2009-04-17 18:31                   ` blstuart
2009-04-17 18:45                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 18:59                       ` blstuart
2009-04-17 19:05                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 20:21                           ` blstuart
2009-04-18 14:54                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18 16:06                               ` Mechiel Lukkien
2009-04-19 20:52                               ` blstuart
2009-04-20 17:30                                 ` [9fans] VMs, etc maht
2009-04-20 17:44                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 17:47                                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-20 17:49                                     ` maht
2009-04-17 19:39                     ` [9fans] VMs, etc. (was: Re: security questions) tlaronde
2009-04-17 21:25                       ` blstuart
2009-04-17 21:59                         ` tlaronde
2009-04-17 23:41                         ` Mechiel Lukkien
2009-04-17 18:59                   ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17 21:38                     ` blstuart
     [not found]                   ` <1322FA0842063D3D53C712DC@192.168.1.2>
2009-04-17 20:07                     ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17 19:02                 ` lucio
2009-04-17 21:01                   ` blstuart
2009-04-18  5:25                     ` lucio
2009-04-19 20:19                       ` blstuart
2009-04-17 19:16                 ` [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years Steve Simon
2009-04-17 19:39                   ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17 19:43                   ` tlaronde
2009-04-17 19:56                     ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17 20:14                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-04-17 20:18                       ` Benjamin Huntsman
2009-04-18  4:26                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 20:29                       ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  3:56                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18  4:12                           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  4:16                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18  5:51                               ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18 12:52                       ` Steve Simon
2009-04-17 20:20                   ` John Barham
2009-04-16 20:51       ` [9fans] security questions erik quanstrom
2009-04-16 21:49         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-16 22:19           ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-16 23:36             ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  0:00               ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17  1:25                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  1:54                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17  2:17                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  2:23                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17  2:33                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  2:43                           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17  5:48                             ` john
2009-04-17  5:52                               ` Bruce Ellis
2009-04-17  5:52                               ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-04-17  5:57                                 ` Bruce Ellis
2009-04-17  9:26                           ` Charles Forsyth
2009-04-17 10:29                             ` Steve Simon
2009-04-17 11:04                               ` Mechiel Lukkien
2009-04-17 11:36                               ` lucio
2009-04-17 11:40                               ` lucio
2009-04-17 11:51                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 12:06                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 13:52                                 ` Steve Simon
2009-04-17  1:59                   ` Russ Cox
2009-04-17 12:07                     ` maht
2009-04-17  2:07                   ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2009-04-17  2:19                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  6:33                       ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-17  9:51                         ` lucio
2009-04-17 11:34                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 12:14                           ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17 18:29                             ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-17 11:59                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  5:06                     ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17  8:36             ` Richard Miller

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