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From: Eric Van Hensbergen <ericvh@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:14:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a4e6962a0904171314o2ae94d95xf83f7542437ba9b1@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090417194357.GB3103@polynum.com>

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM,  <tlaronde@polynum.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 08:16:40PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote:
>> I cannot find the reference (sorry), but I read an interview with Ken
>> (Thompson) a while ago.
>>
>
> My interpretation of cloud computing is precisely the split done by
> plan9 with terminal/CPU/FileServer: a UI runing on a this Terminal, with
> actual computing done somewhere about data stored somewhere.
>

That misses the dynamic nature which clouds could enable -- something
we lack as well with our hardcoded /lib/ndb files -- there is no
provisions for cluster resources coming and going (or failing) and no
control facilities given for provisioning (or deprovisioning) those
resources in a dynamic fashion.  Lucho's kvmfs (and to a certain
extent xcpu) seem like steps in the right direction -- but IMHO more
fundamental changes need to occur in the way we think about things.  I
believe the file system interfaces While not focused on "cloud
computing" in particular, the work we are doing under HARE aims to
explore these directions further (both in the context of Plan
9/Inferno as well as broader themes involving other platforms).

For hints/ideas/whatnot you can check the current pubs (more coming
soon): http://www.research.ibm.com/hare

      -eric



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-17 20:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 181+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-16 17:47 [9fans] security questions Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-16 18:30 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-16 19:14   ` Venkatesh Srinivas
2009-04-16 20:10     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-16 20:19       ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  4:48         ` lucio
2009-04-17  5:03           ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17  9:47             ` lucio
2009-04-17 10:24               ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17 11:55                 ` lucio
2009-04-17 13:08                   ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17 14:15                     ` gdiaz
2009-04-17 16:39                     ` lucio
     [not found]                   ` <6FD675BC714D323BF959A53B@192.168.1.2>
2009-04-17 16:15                     ` Robert Raschke
2009-04-17 20:12                       ` John Barham
2009-04-17 21:40                         ` blstuart
2009-04-17 16:32               ` [9fans] VMs, etc. (was: Re: security questions) blstuart
2009-04-17 17:11                 ` tlaronde
2009-04-17 17:29                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 18:18                     ` tlaronde
2009-04-17 19:00                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 18:50                     ` blstuart
2009-04-17 18:31                   ` blstuart
2009-04-17 18:45                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 18:59                       ` blstuart
2009-04-17 19:05                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 20:21                           ` blstuart
2009-04-18 14:54                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18 16:06                               ` Mechiel Lukkien
2009-04-19 20:52                               ` blstuart
2009-04-20 17:30                                 ` [9fans] VMs, etc maht
2009-04-20 17:44                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 17:47                                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-20 17:49                                     ` maht
2009-04-17 19:39                     ` [9fans] VMs, etc. (was: Re: security questions) tlaronde
2009-04-17 21:25                       ` blstuart
2009-04-17 21:59                         ` tlaronde
2009-04-17 23:41                         ` Mechiel Lukkien
2009-04-17 18:59                   ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17 21:38                     ` blstuart
     [not found]                   ` <1322FA0842063D3D53C712DC@192.168.1.2>
2009-04-17 20:07                     ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17 19:02                 ` lucio
2009-04-17 21:01                   ` blstuart
2009-04-18  5:25                     ` lucio
2009-04-19 20:19                       ` blstuart
2009-04-17 19:16                 ` [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years Steve Simon
2009-04-17 19:39                   ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17 19:43                   ` tlaronde
2009-04-17 19:56                     ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17 20:14                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen [this message]
2009-04-17 20:18                       ` Benjamin Huntsman
2009-04-18  4:26                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 20:29                       ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  3:56                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18  4:12                           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  4:16                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18  5:51                               ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18 12:52                       ` Steve Simon
2009-04-17 20:20                   ` John Barham
2009-04-16 20:51       ` [9fans] security questions erik quanstrom
2009-04-16 21:49         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-16 22:19           ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-16 23:36             ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  0:00               ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17  1:25                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  1:54                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17  2:17                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  2:23                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17  2:33                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  2:43                           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17  5:48                             ` john
2009-04-17  5:52                               ` Bruce Ellis
2009-04-17  5:52                               ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-04-17  5:57                                 ` Bruce Ellis
2009-04-17  9:26                           ` Charles Forsyth
2009-04-17 10:29                             ` Steve Simon
2009-04-17 11:04                               ` Mechiel Lukkien
2009-04-17 11:36                               ` lucio
2009-04-17 11:40                               ` lucio
2009-04-17 11:51                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 12:06                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 13:52                                 ` Steve Simon
2009-04-17  1:59                   ` Russ Cox
2009-04-17 12:07                     ` maht
2009-04-17  2:07                   ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-17  2:19                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  6:33                       ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-17  9:51                         ` lucio
2009-04-17 11:34                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 12:14                           ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17 18:29                             ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-17 11:59                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  5:06                     ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17  8:36             ` Richard Miller
2009-04-17 22:08 [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years Francisco J Ballesteros
2009-04-17 22:15 ` ron minnich
2009-04-17 22:35   ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17 23:01     ` ron minnich
2009-04-18  2:06       ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  2:39         ` ron minnich
2009-04-18  2:43           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  5:55           ` lucio
2009-04-18  3:37         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18  4:04           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  4:16             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18  5:57               ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18 13:50                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18 14:53                   ` lucio
2009-04-18 15:07                   ` ron minnich
2009-04-18 15:11                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18 16:13                       ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18 16:10                   ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18 16:20                     ` ron minnich
2009-04-18 16:26                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18 16:36                       ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18 16:53                         ` tlaronde
2009-04-18 17:12                           ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-04-18 17:37                             ` ron minnich
2009-04-18 23:31                               ` Charles Forsyth
2009-04-18 23:26                                 ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18 17:35                           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  5:58           ` lucio
2009-04-18 11:59   ` tlaronde
2009-04-18 14:31     ` tlaronde
2009-04-18 15:05     ` ron minnich
2009-04-18 15:33       ` tlaronde
2009-04-23 16:56       ` tlaronde
2009-04-24 15:33         ` ron minnich
2009-04-24 16:43           ` tlaronde
2009-04-18 15:16   ` Latchesar Ionkov
2009-04-19 19:34     ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-04-19 19:52       ` ron minnich
2009-04-19  7:12 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-04-19 15:26   ` David Leimbach
2009-04-20  2:14     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-04-20 14:58       ` Uriel
2009-04-20 17:18         ` maht
2009-04-20 18:15           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-20 18:30             ` maht
2009-04-20 19:02           ` Charles Forsyth
2009-04-20 18:03         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-04-20 18:07           ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-23  5:07             ` sqweek
2009-04-23  5:36               ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2009-04-23 11:51                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 18:18           ` David Leimbach
2009-04-20 18:35             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 18:55               ` David Leimbach
2009-04-20 19:03                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 20:17                   ` David Leimbach
2009-04-20 20:33                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 21:18                       ` David Leimbach
2009-04-20 21:28                         ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-04-21  8:19                           ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 12:00                             ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 16:52                             ` David Leimbach
2009-04-21 17:06                               ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 17:11                                 ` David Leimbach
2009-04-21  7:38                       ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-20 19:13                 ` Steve Simon
2009-04-20 19:22                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 18:39           ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2009-04-21  9:52             ` maht
2009-04-21 10:23               ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 12:04                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-21 14:03                   ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 14:09                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-21 14:33                       ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2009-04-21 14:50                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-21 16:03                           ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 16:09                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-21 17:12                               ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 17:43                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-21 18:14                                   ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 16:38                             ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-21 16:59                               ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 16:10                           ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-21 16:25                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-21 17:03                               ` David Leimbach
2009-04-21 17:23                               ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 16:53               ` David Leimbach

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