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From: Sam Watkins <sam@nipl.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] mishandling empty lists - let's fix it
Date: Sun,  4 Oct 2009 18:17:48 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091004071748.GA16895@nipl.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45a41ae73e4adf6d1b38fe9c31977c52@proxima.alt.za>

I wrote:
> I don't see how this can be fixed in unix without breaking umpteen million
> shell scripts.

On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 06:12:15AM +0200, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> By creating new commands with distinct new names.

I thought of a better way.  We can fix the commands without breaking
compatibility, using `--'.  `--' in unix normally excludes further options.
My idea is that `--' should force multi-file mode, excluding different
behaviour in case of an empty list or a single-member list.

  `--' ends options, forces consistent multi-file mode, allows empty lists

This gives the best of both worlds - existing usage is still valid, but people
can choose to use new syntax when dealing with lists of files.
It is consistent with the current meaning of `--' in unix.

Examples of new usage (using rc this time):

  # wrap stdin with a header and footer
  cat header - footer

  fn find { du -a $* | awk '{print $2}' }    # du/find are not fixed yet

  # cat all C files, ok if none
  cat -- `{find . | grep '\.c$'}

  # same thing, with grep instead, always outputs file:matching-line
  grep malloc -- `{find . | grep '\.c$'}

Down with DWIM!!

What do you think of this proposal?
Can you think of a real example where it would be incompatible?


Sam




  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-04  7:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-03 16:03 Sam Watkins
2009-10-03 17:01 ` Rob Pike
2009-10-03 18:31   ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-03 18:56     ` Rob Pike
2009-10-03 19:05       ` blstuart
2009-10-03 19:18         ` hiro
2009-10-03 20:31     ` Steve Simon
2009-10-05 16:08     ` John Stalker
2009-10-05 16:24       ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-05 17:20         ` John Stalker
2009-10-05 19:09           ` roger peppe
2009-10-03 18:46 ` Bakul Shah
2009-10-03 19:11   ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-04  4:12     ` lucio
2009-10-04  7:17       ` Sam Watkins [this message]
2009-10-04  9:18         ` lucio
2009-10-05  6:20           ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-05  6:53             ` Federico G. Benavento
2009-10-04 10:46         ` Richard Miller
2009-10-06  6:59           ` Uriel
2009-10-06 12:01             ` Jacob Todd
2009-10-06 16:35               ` [9fans] *Suspect* " W B Hacker
2009-10-04 10:59         ` [9fans] " sqweek
2009-10-05  5:54           ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-05 11:23           ` matt
2009-10-04 10:18 ` Charles Forsyth
2009-10-04 10:26   ` lucio
     [not found] <<646955677faa922172207300b93ff6ea@hamnavoe.com>
2009-10-04 18:39 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <<20091005055423.GA14691@nipl.net>
2009-10-05 13:30 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-05 16:13   ` Russ Cox
2009-10-05 19:24     ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-05 19:31       ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-05 21:04       ` John Stalker
2009-10-05 22:13         ` Jason Catena
2009-10-06 10:10           ` lucio
2009-10-06  2:22         ` ron minnich
2009-10-06  4:37           ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-06  4:50             ` ron minnich
2009-10-06  6:40           ` John Stalker
2009-10-06 17:45             ` Brian L. Stuart
2009-10-06 18:00               ` John Stalker
2009-10-06 18:27                 ` ron minnich
2009-10-07  8:30                   ` John Stalker
2009-10-07 11:05                     ` roger peppe
2009-10-06  8:40           ` matt
2009-10-06 16:50             ` John Stalker
2009-10-06 17:15               ` Jason Catena
2009-10-06 17:50             ` Tim Newsham
2009-10-06 19:27               ` John Stalker
2009-10-06 20:10                 ` Jason Catena
2009-10-05 21:35       ` Russ Cox
     [not found] <<200910060740.aa94573@salmon.maths.tcd.ie>
2009-10-06 12:59 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <<200910070930.aa64725@salmon.maths.tcd.ie>
2009-10-07 12:14 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-07 13:14   ` John Stalker
     [not found] <<200910071414.aa02318@salmon.maths.tcd.ie>
2009-10-07 13:36 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-07 14:02   ` W B Hacker

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