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From: rog@vitanuova.com
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] A proposal regarding # in bind
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:04:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3203694a344338d2aae59b328b9fe67a@vitanuova.com> (raw)

rob:
> Your proposal is interesting but doesn't solve the bootstrap problem.
> How would /proto get mounted?  You see, the thing about # names
> is that they're really not in the name space, and that comes in handy
> when booting or creating a name space from scratch, such as in
> listen.  Since a program can't name the proto driver, how does one
> establish a connection to it?  I'm sure there's a way; I just wonder
> what your plan is.

two possibilities spring to mind:

a) there's still an escape from the namespace, but a smaller one:
there could be one (and only one) device nameable in the '#' name
space, the proto device.  (whether one allows an attach spec is a
matter of taste).  that at least would solve some of the naming
problems.

b) have a special system call for attaching proto.

martin:
> One could have a /proto/ctl file to which commands could be sent to remove
> (or even add?!) devices from the visibility of this, and inheriting, processes
> (a sort of fine-grained NODEVS).

this would require that the namespace served by the proto device
was specific to a namespace group. how would the proto device
know to serve the same namespace to a process that's just
done an rfork(RFNAMEG)?

you could make it so each attach to '#' (the proto device) gave
you a new instance of that device, so:

	unmount /proto
	bind '#' /proto

would allow changing of availability of devices in /proto
without affecting anything else.



             reply	other threads:[~2003-02-24 19:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-24 19:04 rog [this message]
2003-02-24 19:04 ` rob pike, esq.
2003-02-24 19:53   ` Jack Johnson
2003-02-25  4:37   ` Martin C.Atkins
2003-02-25 11:02     ` chris
2003-02-25 14:01       ` Martin C.Atkins
2003-02-25 14:11         ` Russ Cox
2003-02-25 14:17           ` Martin C.Atkins
2003-02-25 14:34             ` Russ Cox
2003-02-25 14:36               ` Russ Cox
2003-02-25 14:52                 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2003-02-25 19:57                   ` northern snowfall
2003-02-25 16:49                 ` Dan Cross
2003-02-26  5:12                   ` Martin C.Atkins
2003-02-24 19:29 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-02-24 22:34 ` George Michaelson
2003-02-24 23:32   ` Bruce Ellis
2003-02-25  5:02     ` Martin C.Atkins
2003-02-25 11:19       ` chris
2003-02-25 14:06         ` Martin C.Atkins
2003-02-26  0:04         ` Bruce Ellis
2003-02-26  6:06           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2003-02-25  5:00 ` Martin C.Atkins
2003-02-25  9:05   ` [9fans] lpdaemon probs Conor Williams
2003-02-25 10:07     ` Geoff Collyer
2003-02-25 10:33       ` Conor Williams
2003-02-25 23:50         ` Geoff Collyer
2003-02-27  9:59           ` [9fans] lpdaemon probs (fix) Conor Williams
2003-02-27 20:57             ` Geoff Collyer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-02-26 23:46 [9fans] A proposal regarding # in bind a
2003-02-26 22:44 a
2003-02-26 23:02 ` Russ Cox
2003-02-26 21:26 John Stalker
2003-02-27  8:29 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-02-26 14:56 rog
2003-02-26 15:02 ` Russ Cox
2003-02-26  6:21 okamoto
2003-02-26 13:32 ` Digby Tarvin
2003-02-26 13:58   ` Russ Cox
2003-02-26 14:14   ` Russ Cox
2003-02-26 14:33     ` Boyd Roberts
2003-02-26 15:28       ` Ronald G. Minnich
2003-02-24 19:25 Joel Salomon
2003-02-25  4:33 ` Martin C.Atkins
2003-02-24 15:19 Martin C.Atkins
2003-02-24 15:28 ` Boyd Roberts
2003-02-24 18:36 ` rob pike, esq.
2003-02-25  4:57   ` Martin C.Atkins

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