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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] rc's shortcomings (new subject line)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:33:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <323885878fa10ffb7824819d474970e3@brasstown.quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEoi9W6c2JaxrTDwR76TjuN9DeBXnO6gueOGCaEh+Fksfb9zqQ@mail.gmail.c>

> rejected such system-imposing structure on files in Unix-y type
> environments since 1969.
[...]
> other threads of execution.  Could we do something similar with pipes?
>  I don't know that anyone wants typed file descriptors; that would
> open a whole new can of worms.

i don't see that the os can really help here.  lib9p has no problem
turning an undelimited byte stream → 9p messages.  there's no reason
any other format couldn't get the same treatment.

said another way, we already have typed streams, but they're not
enforced by the operating system.

one can also use the thread library technique, using shared memory.

> Consider a simple reduction in Lisp; say, summing up a list of numbers
> or something like that.  In Common Lisp, we may write this as:
> 
>     (reduce #'+ '(1 2 3 4 5))
> 
> In clojure, the same thing would be written as:
> 
>     (reduce + [1 2 3 4 5])
> 

this reminds me of a bit of /bin/man.  it seemed that the case statement
to generate a pipeline of formatting commands was awkward—verbose
and yet limited.

	fn pipeline{
		if(~ $#* 0)
			troff $Nflag $Lflag -$MAN | $postproc
		if not{
			p = $1; shift
			$p | pipeline $*
		}
	}

	fn roff {
		...
		fontdoc $2 | pipeline $preproc
	}

> http://clojure.com/blog/2012/05/08/reducers-a-library-and-model-for-collection-processing.html
> 
> Your example of running multiple 'grep's in parallel sort of reminded
> me of this, though it occurs to me that this can probably be done with
> a command: a sort of 'parallel apply' thing that can run a command
> multiple times concurrently, each invocation on a range of the
> arguments.  But making it simple and elegant is likely to be tricky.

actually, unless i misread (i need more coffee), the blog sounds just like
xargs.

- erik



  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-08-30 13:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-28  8:57 [9fans] rc vs sh Rudolf Sykora
2012-08-28  9:47 ` hiro
2012-08-28  9:52 ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 10:27   ` Rudolf Sykora
2012-08-28 13:07   ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 13:40     ` Rudolf Sykora
2012-08-28 14:10       ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 14:13         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 14:52           ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 15:05             ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 15:18               ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 15:30                 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 15:45                   ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 17:43                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 18:20                       ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 18:26                         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 18:39                           ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 18:47                             ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 20:42                             ` Jeremy Jackins
2012-08-28 21:20                               ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 20:40                   ` Uriel
2012-08-28 15:36               ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 15:35                 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 15:41                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 15:47                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 16:04                       ` hiro
2012-08-28 16:05                   ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 17:46                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 18:19                       ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 18:18                         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 20:44                   ` Uriel
2012-08-31 22:24                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-31 23:00                       ` Uriel
2012-08-31 23:15                         ` hiro
2012-08-31 23:56                           ` Matthew Veety
2012-09-02 15:20                             ` suharik
     [not found]                             ` <CAF9FGtS9xYBNzneNPs2eBkkqVGzn5V0FjdEWDYs_EaUu0waRvQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-09-02 17:25                               ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-02 20:40                                 ` suharik
2012-09-03  7:31                                 ` Rudolf Sykora
2012-09-03  8:22                                   ` dexen deVries
2012-09-03 10:04                                   ` suharik
2012-09-03 10:57                                     ` hiro
     [not found]                                 ` <CAF9FGtRdcFuuefr4q0zFBrkwaQ5a_-w4J-=xqo-MYp+phjQBaA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-09-03 13:42                                   ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                                 ` <CAF9FGtTFskxpVd_CxGEKpRwfSihVjyREqWwFCmjiWksCKZoDvg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-09-03 13:46                                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-10-25 13:36                                     ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-10-25 13:48                                       ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-03  8:32                         ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-08-28 16:06             ` tlaronde
2012-08-28 16:12               ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-08-28 16:32                 ` tlaronde
2012-08-28 20:43                 ` tlaronde
2012-08-28 18:13               ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30  6:14                 ` arnold
2012-08-30  7:41                   ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30  9:34                     ` tlaronde
2012-08-30 10:26                       ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30 10:29                         ` tlaronde
2012-08-30 10:50                           ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30 10:35                         ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 14:16         ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 14:58           ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 14:16         ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 14:23           ` hiro
2012-08-28 14:34             ` hiro
2012-08-29  9:16   ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-08-29 15:10     ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-29 15:22       ` hiro
2012-08-29 15:34         ` Charles Forsyth
2012-10-25 13:45       ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-10-25 13:56       ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 15:09 ` Dan Cross
     [not found] ` <CAEoi9W6K07ZgNS+7-oeQY3dkedW7qZLnOh79m5J7KCw7os5aEQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-28 15:26   ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 15:40     ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 15:34       ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 18:24     ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 18:44       ` [9fans] rc's shortcomings (new subject line) erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 19:34         ` dexen deVries
2012-08-29  0:06           ` arisawa
2012-08-29  8:12             ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 19:41         ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 20:14           ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  1:39             ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  1:43               ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  2:13               ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  2:23                 ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  2:44                   ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  4:28                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 20:31           ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-09-04 17:27           ` 😜
2012-08-28 19:53         ` Bakul Shah
     [not found]         ` <CAEoi9W5bZE+coAaQA-Be4P_JQoB6TR31GS=gYhq=6BhHNXCRKw@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-28 20:34           ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 22:46             ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  1:28               ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  8:09             ` dexen deVries
2012-08-29  8:38             ` Dan Cross
     [not found]             ` <CAEoi9W5_r=4w5EcdrbKuqD566p=C5KvEEHg72YKzdat18En2-w@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-29 13:57               ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29 15:07                 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 10:05                 ` Dan Cross
2012-08-30 10:43                   ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 13:41                   ` dexen deVries
2012-08-30 13:47                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:26                       ` dexen deVries
2012-08-30 14:29                         ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:24                     ` Dan Cross
     [not found]                     ` <CAEoi9W6NL-zGryJnMrAX3B77bk1bOEMfkv_R7M4W052LZR4yrg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 14:26                       ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:33                         ` Dan Cross
     [not found]                         ` <CAEoi9W45W0pK7MA2FvxsCVCuRcqw-JxOiEn+JQtWMo0rFcSEpg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 14:41                           ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:48                             ` dexen deVries
2012-08-30 15:11                               ` sl
2012-08-30 15:13                               ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30 15:07                                 ` Burton Samograd
2012-08-30 15:13                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 15:14                                   ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 17:02                   ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-30 17:18                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 20:06                       ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                   ` <CAOw7k5jQxJCs64ZjrXp1mU0zTUTG6p7VXYX5ykwQ8OmFATLirg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 20:10                     ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                 ` <CAEoi9W6c2JaxrTDwR76TjuN9DeBXnO6gueOGCaEh+Fksfb9zqQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 13:33                   ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2012-08-30 14:21                     ` Dan Cross
2012-08-30 14:25                       ` Dan Cross
2012-08-30 14:45                     ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 14:55                       ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                   ` <CAEoi9W5AagpdK4aZCYs5tSMESU3yoMe9bmgX3GcphTcYuMq9kQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 14:34                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:44                     ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                   ` <CAOw7k5i-JO=bOS8h+S0zdWghCWhSN36uFebMYnzvs=fdNQgA+g@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-31  1:33                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-10-25 14:56 ` [9fans] rc vs sh Ethan Burns
2012-10-25 15:08   ` hiro
2012-10-25 17:02     ` Gorka Guardiola
2012-10-25 17:18       ` Matthew Veety
2012-10-25 17:26         ` John Floren
2012-10-25 19:03           ` hiro
2012-10-25 19:08     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2012-08-30 15:24 [9fans] rc's shortcomings (new subject line) Lucio De Re

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