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From: Uriel <uriel@berlinblue.org>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] rc vs sh
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:44:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK=G1TjccyV2Zy0zR+hf4DMe2mGRg44D9WkKR66V=yHy-kHY8g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120828153548.GC11005@intma.in>

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Kurt H Maier <khm-9@intma.in> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 05:36:58PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
>>
>> Sure, feel free to make something that isn't shitty, there's plenty
>> out there that can be improved.  The machinery to install Go (from
>> sources) is hardly the most important amongst them.
>>
>
> The Go team has already explicitly stated they are note interested in a
> better build system.  I don't know if it's plain NIH or a secret bash
> fetish, but they're not buying.  Improving software is not a zero-sum
> game; Go development is not a closed system.  The build system can be
> improved without impeding other progress.

Where did the Go team say explicitly they are not interested in a
better build system?

They just said they are not interested in replacing the last very few
remaining bits of bash unless there is certainty that it wont break
the build in some system.

The current build system already provides facilities to do this, just
nobody has bothered to replace the last remaining bits of (ba)sh.


>> Solution: replace
>> the #!/bin/sh with #!/usr/bin/env -c /bin/bash.  Why not?
>
> Because there are plenty of systems out there without env or bash.
>
>> I may
>> misremember, but before the Go tool was released, the Plan 9 release
>> managed to get itself compiled using ape/sh.  As far as I can tell,
>> the dependence isn't in Bash features as much as in the consistency
>> across Bash versions.
>>
>
> ...which is another unproved assumption.

What is the unproven assumption? One of the Go devs already pointed
out that the current shell scripts don't work for (who knows what
reason) FreeBSD's default shell, even when they make no use of any
bash-specific features as far as anyone knows.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-08-28 20:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-28  8:57 Rudolf Sykora
2012-08-28  9:47 ` hiro
2012-08-28  9:52 ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 10:27   ` Rudolf Sykora
2012-08-28 13:07   ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 13:40     ` Rudolf Sykora
2012-08-28 14:10       ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 14:13         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 14:52           ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 15:05             ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 15:18               ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 15:30                 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 15:45                   ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 17:43                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 18:20                       ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 18:26                         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 18:39                           ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 18:47                             ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 20:42                             ` Jeremy Jackins
2012-08-28 21:20                               ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 20:40                   ` Uriel
2012-08-28 15:36               ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 15:35                 ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 15:41                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 15:47                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 16:04                       ` hiro
2012-08-28 16:05                   ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 17:46                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 18:19                       ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 18:18                         ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-28 20:44                   ` Uriel [this message]
2012-08-31 22:24                     ` Kurt H Maier
2012-08-31 23:00                       ` Uriel
2012-08-31 23:15                         ` hiro
2012-08-31 23:56                           ` Matthew Veety
2012-09-02 15:20                             ` suharik
     [not found]                             ` <CAF9FGtS9xYBNzneNPs2eBkkqVGzn5V0FjdEWDYs_EaUu0waRvQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-09-02 17:25                               ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-02 20:40                                 ` suharik
2012-09-03  7:31                                 ` Rudolf Sykora
2012-09-03  8:22                                   ` dexen deVries
2012-09-03 10:04                                   ` suharik
2012-09-03 10:57                                     ` hiro
     [not found]                                 ` <CAF9FGtRdcFuuefr4q0zFBrkwaQ5a_-w4J-=xqo-MYp+phjQBaA@mail.gmail.c>
2012-09-03 13:42                                   ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                                 ` <CAF9FGtTFskxpVd_CxGEKpRwfSihVjyREqWwFCmjiWksCKZoDvg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-09-03 13:46                                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-10-25 13:36                                     ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-10-25 13:48                                       ` erik quanstrom
2012-09-03  8:32                         ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-08-28 16:06             ` tlaronde
2012-08-28 16:12               ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-08-28 16:32                 ` tlaronde
2012-08-28 20:43                 ` tlaronde
2012-08-28 18:13               ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30  6:14                 ` arnold
2012-08-30  7:41                   ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30  9:34                     ` tlaronde
2012-08-30 10:26                       ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30 10:29                         ` tlaronde
2012-08-30 10:50                           ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30 10:35                         ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 14:16         ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 14:58           ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 14:16         ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 14:23           ` hiro
2012-08-28 14:34             ` hiro
2012-08-29  9:16   ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2012-08-29 15:10     ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-29 15:22       ` hiro
2012-08-29 15:34         ` Charles Forsyth
2012-10-25 13:45       ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2012-10-25 13:56       ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 15:09 ` Dan Cross
     [not found] ` <CAEoi9W6K07ZgNS+7-oeQY3dkedW7qZLnOh79m5J7KCw7os5aEQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-28 15:26   ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 15:40     ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-28 15:34       ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 18:24     ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 18:44       ` [9fans] rc's shortcomings (new subject line) erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 19:34         ` dexen deVries
2012-08-29  0:06           ` arisawa
2012-08-29  8:12             ` dexen deVries
2012-08-28 19:41         ` Dan Cross
2012-08-28 20:14           ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  1:39             ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  1:43               ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  2:13               ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  2:23                 ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  2:44                   ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  4:28                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 20:31           ` Aram Hăvărneanu
2012-09-04 17:27           ` 😜
2012-08-28 19:53         ` Bakul Shah
     [not found]         ` <CAEoi9W5bZE+coAaQA-Be4P_JQoB6TR31GS=gYhq=6BhHNXCRKw@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-28 20:34           ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-28 22:46             ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-29  1:28               ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29  8:09             ` dexen deVries
2012-08-29  8:38             ` Dan Cross
     [not found]             ` <CAEoi9W5_r=4w5EcdrbKuqD566p=C5KvEEHg72YKzdat18En2-w@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-29 13:57               ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-29 15:07                 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 10:05                 ` Dan Cross
2012-08-30 10:43                   ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 13:41                   ` dexen deVries
2012-08-30 13:47                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:26                       ` dexen deVries
2012-08-30 14:29                         ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:24                     ` Dan Cross
     [not found]                     ` <CAEoi9W6NL-zGryJnMrAX3B77bk1bOEMfkv_R7M4W052LZR4yrg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 14:26                       ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:33                         ` Dan Cross
     [not found]                         ` <CAEoi9W45W0pK7MA2FvxsCVCuRcqw-JxOiEn+JQtWMo0rFcSEpg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 14:41                           ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:48                             ` dexen deVries
2012-08-30 15:11                               ` sl
2012-08-30 15:13                               ` Lucio De Re
2012-08-30 15:07                                 ` Burton Samograd
2012-08-30 15:13                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 15:14                                   ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 17:02                   ` Bakul Shah
2012-08-30 17:18                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 20:06                       ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                   ` <CAOw7k5jQxJCs64ZjrXp1mU0zTUTG6p7VXYX5ykwQ8OmFATLirg@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 20:10                     ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                 ` <CAEoi9W6c2JaxrTDwR76TjuN9DeBXnO6gueOGCaEh+Fksfb9zqQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 13:33                   ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:21                     ` Dan Cross
2012-08-30 14:25                       ` Dan Cross
2012-08-30 14:45                     ` Charles Forsyth
2012-08-30 14:55                       ` Charles Forsyth
     [not found]                   ` <CAEoi9W5AagpdK4aZCYs5tSMESU3yoMe9bmgX3GcphTcYuMq9kQ@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-30 14:34                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-08-30 14:44                     ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]                   ` <CAOw7k5i-JO=bOS8h+S0zdWghCWhSN36uFebMYnzvs=fdNQgA+g@mail.gmail.c>
2012-08-31  1:33                     ` erik quanstrom
2012-10-25 14:56 ` [9fans] rc vs sh Ethan Burns
2012-10-25 15:08   ` hiro
2012-10-25 17:02     ` Gorka Guardiola
2012-10-25 17:18       ` Matthew Veety
2012-10-25 17:26         ` John Floren
2012-10-25 19:03           ` hiro
2012-10-25 19:08     ` Skip Tavakkolian

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