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From: rt@anothy.9srv.net
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] 'wall' messages
Date: Wed,  8 Oct 2003 10:46:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <353097f40f2449ca8e926155cfc09c2d@9srv.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0310072149250.4102-100000@einstein.ssz.com>

i confess i don't remember whhat jmk's proposal was. however...

note brucee said "knowing about" not "running". using the plumber
(or something like the one-off system-message-notifier we did for
Inferno) the OS doesn't have to possess any special knowledge of
*anything* to enable this. in everything you've described, the
shell, the OS, rio, other apps, or some combination thereof have
to have special-purpose logic built in, and would likely require
some knowledge of each other (you'd need to build the "registration
service" or whatever).

the point of things like not including a terminal driver in the
windowing system, or not putting an editor in the shell, wasn't as
much about putting complexity "in the right place" (i believe) as
not having it there at all. to quote one of the brightest things
boyd ever said (here, at least):
 missing components don't make mistakes, are secure, and
 don't need testing, documentation, or maintenance.
paraphrasing Gordon Bell, who said it even better:
 The cheapest, fastest, and most reliable components are those
 that arn't there.

we can do a "wall" without kernel hacks, without touching any
existing apps, and with a minimum of new code.
ア


  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-08 14:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-07  0:30 mirtchov
2003-10-07  0:33 ` boyd
2003-10-07  0:35 ` jmk
2003-10-07  2:28   ` Jim Choate
2003-10-07  2:27     ` boyd
2003-10-07  2:54       ` Jim Choate
2003-10-07  2:30   ` [9fans] A final question on regex Jim Choate
2003-10-07  3:08   ` [9fans] 'wall' messages Bruce Ellis
2003-10-07  3:11     ` boyd
2003-10-07  3:31     ` Jim Choate
2003-10-07  4:04       ` andrey mirtchovski
2003-10-07  4:17         ` Jim Choate
2003-10-07  4:23           ` [9fans] A fine point on 'lazy update' Jim Choate
2003-10-07  4:25           ` [9fans] 'wall' messages andrey mirtchovski
2003-10-07 13:56             ` Jim Choate
2003-10-07 14:09               ` mirtchov
2003-10-07 14:19                 ` Dan Cross
2003-10-07 17:27                   ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-10-07  9:50       ` Bruce Ellis
2003-10-07 10:41         ` Lucio De Re
2003-10-07 11:27           ` Bruce Ellis
2003-10-07 11:52             ` Lucio De Re
2003-10-07 12:10               ` boyd
2003-10-08  1:43                 ` okamoto
2003-10-07 13:15               ` matt
2003-10-07 12:33                 ` Lucio De Re
2003-10-07 14:09                   ` Dan Cross
2003-10-07 13:40           ` Jim Choate
2003-10-08  8:39             ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-10-08 13:40               ` Jim Choate
2003-10-07 13:49         ` Jim Choate
2003-10-07 21:35           ` Bruce Ellis
2003-10-07 22:07             ` Joel Salomon
2003-10-08  5:34               ` Jim Choate
2003-10-08  5:48             ` Jim Choate
2003-10-08 14:21               ` rog
2003-10-08 18:14                 ` David Presotto
2003-10-08 18:52                   ` mirtchov
2003-10-09 15:07                   ` rog
2003-10-09 15:10                     ` David Presotto
2003-10-08 17:40               ` a
2003-10-07 22:38           ` boyd
2003-10-08  9:36             ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-10-08 13:57               ` Dan Cross
2003-10-07 23:19       ` a
2003-10-08  2:35         ` Jim Choate
2003-10-08  2:42           ` Bruce Ellis
2003-10-08  2:52             ` Jim Choate
2003-10-08 14:46               ` rt [this message]
2003-10-09  0:31                 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-10-09  1:29                   ` Bruce Ellis
2003-10-09 18:36                   ` rog
2003-10-09 22:32                     ` Geoff Collyer
2003-10-08  9:36           ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-10-08 13:38             ` Jim Choate
2003-10-08 17:02               ` a
2003-10-08 14:24           ` rt
2003-10-08 15:10             ` Jim Choate
2003-10-08 15:47               ` rt
2003-10-08 21:53             ` Charles Forsyth
2003-10-08 22:59               ` Jim Choate
2003-10-07  3:48     ` Dan Cross
2003-10-07  3:51       ` boyd
2003-10-07  4:09       ` Jim Choate
2003-10-07  4:15         ` boyd
2003-10-07  2:37 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2003-10-07  2:41 ` boyd

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