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From: "Bruce G. Stewart" <bruce.g.stewart@worldnet.att.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Installing the updates
Date: Wed,  2 Aug 2000 08:32:55 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <39878BDB.BFD4CEEC@worldnet.att.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200008011707.NAA25570@cse.psu.edu>

Russ Cox wrote:
> 
>         Where's the horror here?  Computers are fast.  Pushing extra work on
>         programmers and creating an unnecessary portability issue is a high
>         cost.  Reading a header file five or more times during compilation is
>         a low cost (and one which can be optimized away for ifdef-protected
>         headers; I'm told gcc does so).
> 
> While it may be simpler when it works, when
> it fails it does so in mysterious ways.  I don't know
> how many times I've tried to figure out why
> some header file I wanted wasn't getting included,
> only to find that it had _already_ been included,
> by someone else, with different things #defined,
> so the definition or prototype_I_ wanted wasn't
> there.
> 
> I'd much rather have the compiler barf on a
> #define or something like that, than hop over
> the whole file as though it weren't there.
> 
> Russ

I think nested includes also lead to excessive factoring - there is a
folklore that says small include files are better because fewer things
need to be recompiled when a header is changed.

More includes makes for more interdependencies, so one resorts to
nesting to reduce the amount of typing. Then one needs a tool to find
all the dependencies to create the mkfile. One wants to run it whenever
a header changes in case some new nested dependency has been introduced.
Perhaps a mkfile to mk your mkfile is the answer.. and on it goes.

I also find the one library / one h principal attractive. I'd rather
have the compiler wasting its time scanning one behemoth text than
scanning a lot of little files looking for #endif.


  reply	other threads:[~2000-08-02  8:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-08-01 17:06 Russ Cox
2000-08-02  8:32 ` Bruce G. Stewart [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-08-02  9:47 forsyth
2000-08-02  9:52 ` Boyd Roberts
2000-08-01 16:27 rob pike
2000-08-02 10:53 ` Ralph Corderoy
2000-08-01 16:26 rob pike
2000-08-02 21:49 ` Steve Simon
2000-08-01 13:35 rob pike
2000-08-01 18:34 ` Greg Hudson
2000-08-02  9:53 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2000-08-01 13:06 rob pike
2000-08-01 13:10 ` Lucio De Re
2000-08-01 12:55 rob pike
2000-08-02  9:39 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2000-08-01  6:04 Russ Cox
2000-08-01  5:42 Russ Cox
2000-07-31 17:09 Russ Cox
2000-07-31 15:57 jmk
2000-07-31 15:15 rob pike
2000-08-01  8:53 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2000-08-01 12:12   ` Howard Trickey
2000-08-02  9:11     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2000-08-01 14:31   ` Ralph Corderoy
2000-08-01 16:03     ` Greg Hudson
2000-08-01 16:32       ` James A. Robinson
2000-08-01 17:05         ` James A. Robinson
2000-08-02  9:39       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2000-08-02  9:11     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2000-08-03 14:51     ` ozan s. yigit
     [not found] <djhender@telusplanet.net>
2000-07-31 14:53 ` Doug Henderson
2000-07-31 17:38   ` Scott Schwartz
2000-07-31 20:10     ` Steve Simon

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