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From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" <DAGwyn@null.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] how to avoid a memset() optimization
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:16:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DD1E17C.7000404@null.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ee9f15e6a1b55cba64f2d9d4b07a6a17@plan9.bell-labs.com>

Russ Cox wrote:
> My problem with volatile is that it means ``something
> weird is going on here'' but doesn't tell you what.

No, it mens "compiler, the access must really be
performed".  It is the programmer who decides whether
that is a requirement, and it could be for numerous
reasons, such as to assist in debugging, because the
"location" is a portal to an external device register,
because the object is shared among threads, etc.  In
this particular case it would be because the programmer
really wants the memory overwrite to occur regardless
of whether it is used any further.

>> You're right here, but for me defining secmemset
 >> is much bigger evil than just adding volatile to
 >> the buffer.
> Why?

For one thing, it doesn't work (unless you force
volatile qualification within secmemset), because
the invocation of secmemset can be optimized away
also.  (It is less likely than for memset, but it
is a possibility when the compiler can see the
caller and callee.)  Also you're in effect just
replacing the standard library function with your
own implementation, which will in general be slower
(a trade-off you might be willing to make) and one
more interface to specify (assuming a professional
software environment as opposed to just hacking).
In general one should have better things to do than
duplicating standard library functions.


  reply	other threads:[~2002-11-13 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-11-13  1:47 Russ Cox
2002-11-13 10:16 ` Douglas A. Gwyn [this message]
2002-11-14  1:46 ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
2002-11-14  1:52   ` William Josephson
2002-11-14  6:42     ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-01-06 10:47 nigel
2003-01-06 11:15 ` Geoff Collyer
2002-11-19 14:32 presotto
2002-11-20  7:24 ` Tomas
2002-11-20 16:38   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-19  8:21 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-11-18 21:36 Joel Salomon
2002-11-18 20:42 Andrew Simmons
2002-11-18 14:19 C H Forsyth
2002-11-15  1:56 Dennis Ritchie
2002-11-15 10:51 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-15 12:03 ` Boyd Roberts
2002-11-14 18:55 jmk
2002-11-14 22:23 ` Steve Kilbane
2002-11-14 18:17 presotto
2002-11-14 18:11 Joel Salomon
2002-11-14 18:26 ` William Josephson
2002-11-14 17:44 rog
2002-11-15 10:50 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 17:28 Russ Cox
2002-11-14 16:47 presotto
2002-11-15 10:50 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-15 16:51   ` William Josephson
2002-11-18 10:38     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-18 12:34       ` Ronald G. Minnich
2002-11-19  7:38 ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
2002-11-20  9:47   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-21 20:55     ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
2002-11-22  9:59       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-01-06 10:18   ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-01-06 15:42     ` Sam
2003-01-06 15:49       ` Russ Cox
2003-01-06 15:58         ` David Presotto
2003-01-06 16:02         ` Sam
     [not found] <nemo@plan9.escet.urjc.es>
2002-11-14 15:38 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-11-14 16:24   ` Scott Schwartz
2002-11-14  6:53 Russ Cox
2002-11-14 10:22 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 13:20   ` Sam
2002-11-14 15:20     ` Scott Schwartz
2002-11-14 15:26       ` Boyd Roberts
2002-11-14 15:34         ` plan9
2002-11-14 15:59           ` Sam
2002-11-14 18:57         ` Steve Kilbane
2002-11-15 10:51           ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 15:50       ` Dan Cross
2002-11-14 17:21         ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 18:51           ` Dan Cross
2002-11-14 15:50     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-19  7:20 ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
2002-11-14  2:48 Dennis Ritchie
2002-11-14  4:23 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2002-11-13 18:58 Rob `Commander' Pike
2002-11-13 14:40 C H Forsyth
2002-11-13 15:54 ` rob pike
2002-11-13 16:05   ` andrey mirtchovski
2002-11-13 16:32   ` Ronald G. Minnich
2002-11-14 10:21     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 17:07       ` Ronald G. Minnich
2002-11-22  9:59     ` Clint Olsen
2002-11-13 16:56   ` William K. Josephson
2002-11-14 10:21     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 16:48       ` William Josephson
2002-11-14 10:21   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 14:46     ` Dan Cross
2002-11-14 16:59       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 18:31         ` Tad Hunt
2002-11-15 10:50           ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-18 14:27         ` Aharon Robbins
2002-11-13 14:14 Skip Tavakkolian
2002-11-13 13:55 rog
2002-11-13 13:38 Skip Tavakkolian
2002-11-13 16:25 ` Boyd Roberts
2002-11-13 10:43 C H Forsyth
2002-11-14 10:21 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-13  6:52 Geoff Collyer
2002-11-13 10:13 ` Boyd Roberts
2002-11-13  6:34 Andrew Simmons
2002-11-13  6:43 ` Doc Shipley
2002-11-13  0:31 Russ Cox
2002-11-13  1:26 ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
2002-11-13 10:15   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14  1:42     ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
2002-11-13 10:15 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-13  0:20 presotto
2002-11-12 22:42 Roman V. Shaposhnick

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