From: Dennis Ritchie <dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] how to avoid a memset() optimization
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:56:58 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9f877f9ea3f57d8602e66baf3ce1988a@plan9.bell-labs.com> (raw)
Gwyn remarked
> C as you imagine it was never really in existence; even on
> the PDP-11, certain access patterns (such as dereference
> of constants in the range 0160000-017777t) were specially
> (kludge) excluded from optimization, so that device drivers
> wouldn't be broken by non-1-to-1 translations from source
> code to accesses.
This wasn't true for the PDP-11 compiler, which
(approximately) treated everything as volatile in the
current sense, though it could do some elementary
dead-code elimination. The (early) BSD/VAX assembly
optimizer did have something like this, however, in that it
avoided certain instructions that wouldn't work in the I/O
space.
> "volatile" addresses such issues as
> well as we could with a simple portable mechanism.
The C90 and C99 semantics of volatile remain a bit flabby,
though it would take a lot of work to get a standard
that captured the behavior. It's been tried.
The intent of volatile was to capture appropriate
behavior of memory-mapped registers and similar
things (like a clock in user space updated by the
OS.) So, things like
*p = 0;
*p = 0;
should generate two stores if p is volatile *int.
One thing added in C90 was volatile's use in proper preservation
of values of automatics in the presence of
setjmp/longjmp. This was a non-issue for the PDP-11
because of details of its calling sequence, harder but
not impossible for the VAX because of its more complicated
(and slow) calling sequence, a real mess with the
advent of RISCs and optimization. This is presumably
what hit Dave etc. with the setjmp-like waserror/nexterror
(the compiler didn't trigger on those words the
way they're supposed to on setjmp/longjmp).
Dennis
next reply other threads:[~2002-11-15 1:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-11-15 1:56 Dennis Ritchie [this message]
2002-11-15 10:51 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-15 12:03 ` Boyd Roberts
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2003-01-06 10:47 nigel
2003-01-06 11:15 ` Geoff Collyer
2002-11-19 14:32 presotto
2002-11-20 7:24 ` Tomas
2002-11-20 16:38 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-19 8:21 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-11-18 21:36 Joel Salomon
2002-11-18 20:42 Andrew Simmons
2002-11-18 14:19 C H Forsyth
2002-11-14 18:55 jmk
2002-11-14 22:23 ` Steve Kilbane
2002-11-14 18:17 presotto
2002-11-14 18:11 Joel Salomon
2002-11-14 18:26 ` William Josephson
2002-11-14 17:44 rog
2002-11-15 10:50 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 17:28 Russ Cox
2002-11-14 16:47 presotto
2002-11-15 10:50 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-15 16:51 ` William Josephson
2002-11-18 10:38 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-18 12:34 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2002-11-19 7:38 ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
2002-11-20 9:47 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-21 20:55 ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
2002-11-22 9:59 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-01-06 10:18 ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-01-06 15:42 ` Sam
2003-01-06 15:49 ` Russ Cox
2003-01-06 15:58 ` David Presotto
2003-01-06 16:02 ` Sam
[not found] <nemo@plan9.escet.urjc.es>
2002-11-14 15:38 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-11-14 16:24 ` Scott Schwartz
2002-11-14 6:53 Russ Cox
2002-11-14 10:22 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 13:20 ` Sam
2002-11-14 15:20 ` Scott Schwartz
2002-11-14 15:26 ` Boyd Roberts
2002-11-14 15:34 ` plan9
2002-11-14 15:59 ` Sam
2002-11-14 18:57 ` Steve Kilbane
2002-11-15 10:51 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 15:50 ` Dan Cross
2002-11-14 17:21 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 18:51 ` Dan Cross
2002-11-14 15:50 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-19 7:20 ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
2002-11-14 2:48 Dennis Ritchie
2002-11-14 4:23 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2002-11-13 18:58 Rob `Commander' Pike
2002-11-13 14:40 C H Forsyth
2002-11-13 15:54 ` rob pike
2002-11-13 16:05 ` andrey mirtchovski
2002-11-13 16:32 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2002-11-14 10:21 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 17:07 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2002-11-22 9:59 ` Clint Olsen
2002-11-13 16:56 ` William K. Josephson
2002-11-14 10:21 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 16:48 ` William Josephson
2002-11-14 10:21 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 14:46 ` Dan Cross
2002-11-14 16:59 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 18:31 ` Tad Hunt
2002-11-15 10:50 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-18 14:27 ` Aharon Robbins
2002-11-13 14:14 Skip Tavakkolian
2002-11-13 13:55 rog
2002-11-13 13:38 Skip Tavakkolian
2002-11-13 16:25 ` Boyd Roberts
2002-11-13 10:43 C H Forsyth
2002-11-14 10:21 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-13 6:52 Geoff Collyer
2002-11-13 10:13 ` Boyd Roberts
2002-11-13 6:34 Andrew Simmons
2002-11-13 6:43 ` Doc Shipley
2002-11-13 1:47 Russ Cox
2002-11-13 10:16 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 1:46 ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
2002-11-14 1:52 ` William Josephson
2002-11-14 6:42 ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
2002-11-13 0:31 Russ Cox
2002-11-13 1:26 ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
2002-11-13 10:15 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-14 1:42 ` Roman V. Shaposhnick
2002-11-13 10:15 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-11-13 0:20 presotto
2002-11-12 22:42 Roman V. Shaposhnick
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