From: David Tolpin <dvd@davidashen.net>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Evolving rio / GUI development
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:25:55 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3d1597e890b8b5faa6ab617e32a57902@davidashen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <421B3E8C.6060409@aprote.ee>
On 22.02.2005, at 18:15, Tiit Lankots wrote:
>>> tool-tips are definitive proof of the failure of a user interface
>>> design.
>> man is like a tool-tip. It explains what a command does when it is
>> not obvious for a casual user from the command's name. Just less
>> convenient to reach.
>
> You've just proven Boyd's point. If an explanation requires an
> explanation, don't you think that the orginial explanation is a
> failure? "What we seem to have here is a failure to communicate."
>
I did not prove anyone's point. A symbol, whether textual or pictorial,
is not an explanation of self. It is a name; a name needs an
explanation. A tooltip is a good way to introduce an explanation; in
particular when someone coming from a non-american-english environment
trying to use an interface.
It is also nice for people who use alternative signaling system for
interaction, those visually impared do. They listen to the tooltip for
the first time, and then attach a tone or a tune which they recognize
easily to the icon or to the abbreviated name.
David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-02-22 15:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 183+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-02-16 17:45 g01495
2005-02-16 17:56 ` Russ Cox
2005-02-16 19:15 ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-16 19:44 ` McLone
2005-02-17 5:50 ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-17 7:07 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-17 17:15 ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-17 17:30 ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-17 17:36 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-17 17:42 ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-17 17:47 ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-17 17:53 ` Russ Cox
2005-02-17 22:21 ` [9fans] writing code rog
2005-02-17 22:29 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-18 1:27 ` Russ Cox
2005-02-18 4:48 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-18 4:51 ` lucio
2005-02-18 18:22 ` rog
2005-02-18 19:05 ` Paul Lalonde
2005-02-18 19:21 ` rog
2005-02-20 18:14 ` [9fans] Second class citizenship (Was: writing code) Lucio De Re
2005-02-20 18:24 ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-20 18:33 ` Lucio De Re
2005-02-20 18:37 ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-20 20:36 ` Joel Salomon
2005-02-21 4:30 ` lucio
2005-02-21 7:03 ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-21 16:59 ` rog
2005-02-22 3:59 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-22 4:34 ` lucio
2005-02-22 5:09 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-21 7:10 ` [9fans] writing code Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-21 7:26 ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-21 7:48 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-21 8:00 ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-21 23:49 ` rog
2005-03-01 1:30 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-21 10:08 ` Richard Miller
2005-02-21 10:09 ` Steve Simon
2005-02-18 21:09 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-18 4:58 ` Paul Lalonde
2005-02-18 5:12 ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-02-18 14:57 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-18 5:01 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-18 19:34 ` Tim Newsham
2005-02-18 19:49 ` David Leimbach
2005-02-18 19:59 ` Christopher Nielsen
2005-02-18 21:36 ` rog
2005-02-18 22:14 ` Christopher Nielsen
2005-02-19 9:15 ` David Leimbach
2005-02-19 20:20 ` Bruce Ellis
2005-05-08 16:15 ` Ralph Corderoy
2005-02-17 22:52 ` Charles Forsyth
2005-02-17 23:12 ` rog
2005-02-17 22:52 ` Christopher Nielsen
2005-02-17 23:02 ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-18 0:20 ` jmk
2005-02-18 0:54 ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-17 23:04 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-17 23:07 ` rog
2005-02-17 23:17 ` Christopher Nielsen
2005-02-17 23:33 ` rog
2005-02-17 23:42 ` Russ Cox
2005-02-18 0:07 ` Steve Simon
2005-02-18 1:20 ` Russ Cox
2005-02-18 9:53 ` C H Forsyth
2005-02-18 12:17 ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-18 4:21 ` Russ Cox
2005-02-18 16:03 ` rog
2005-02-18 16:04 ` rog
2005-02-18 18:52 ` rog
2005-02-18 19:01 ` Russ Cox
[not found] ` <53b78d28ce9ff18f6dc22cc280fc92ef@quintile.net>
2005-02-21 15:54 ` Russ Cox
2005-02-18 19:50 ` Charles Forsyth
2005-02-18 20:42 ` rog
2005-02-18 20:32 ` Charles Forsyth
2005-02-18 21:06 ` rog
2005-02-18 21:49 ` McLone
2005-02-18 11:04 ` [9fans] Evolving rio / GUI development Fco. J. Ballesteros
2005-02-18 12:29 ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-21 2:54 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-21 8:04 ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-21 8:24 ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-21 14:01 ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-21 14:35 ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2005-02-22 1:16 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-22 2:04 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-22 8:21 ` Matthias Teege
2005-02-21 14:36 ` Gorka Guardiola
2005-02-21 15:52 ` lucio
2005-02-22 0:37 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-02-21 23:52 ` Chesky Salomon
2005-02-22 2:27 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-02-22 4:12 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-21 15:20 ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-21 16:01 ` lucio
2005-02-22 8:07 ` Matthias Teege
2005-02-22 13:52 ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-22 14:00 ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-22 14:10 ` David Tolpin
2005-02-22 14:15 ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-22 15:25 ` David Tolpin [this message]
2005-02-22 17:47 ` lucio
2005-02-22 14:09 ` Charles Forsyth
2005-02-23 5:55 ` Martin C.Atkins
2005-02-22 10:26 ` Gorka Guardiola
2005-02-22 17:33 ` lucio
2005-02-22 19:40 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-02-22 19:56 ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-23 0:17 ` C H Forsyth
2005-02-23 10:29 ` fgergo
2005-02-23 11:22 ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-23 3:47 ` lucio
2005-02-23 13:17 ` Rob Pike
2005-02-23 13:19 ` Gorka Guardiola
2005-02-23 13:39 ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-23 13:43 ` Brantley Coile
2005-02-23 15:31 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-23 15:37 ` Rob Pike
2005-02-23 15:53 ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-23 16:06 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-23 16:18 ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-23 17:37 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-02-23 16:19 ` David Leimbach
2005-02-23 16:50 ` Richard Miller
2005-02-24 0:11 ` Dave Lukes
2005-02-22 23:47 ` Steve Simon
2005-02-23 0:21 ` Andrew Simmons
2005-02-23 3:59 ` lucio
2005-02-23 6:03 ` Martin C.Atkins
2005-02-21 10:37 ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2005-02-18 3:50 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-18 7:10 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-18 7:17 ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-18 13:07 ` Rob Pike
2005-02-18 21:23 ` McLone
2005-03-03 3:47 ` rog
2005-03-03 5:43 ` arisawa
2005-03-03 17:12 ` Sam
2005-03-03 18:11 ` rog
2005-03-03 18:27 ` Russ Cox
2005-03-03 18:54 ` g01495
2005-03-03 19:43 ` Charles Forsyth
2005-03-04 15:25 ` arisawa
2005-03-04 16:19 ` rog
2005-03-07 2:22 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-03-04 4:39 ` Scott Schwartz
2005-02-17 20:00 ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-17 20:17 ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-17 20:43 ` McLone
2005-02-17 20:19 ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-02-17 20:56 ` g01495
2005-02-17 21:02 ` Rob Pike
2005-02-17 22:35 ` McLone
2005-02-17 22:39 ` Russ Cox
2005-02-17 22:00 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-17 22:08 ` rog
2005-02-20 21:04 ` geoff
2005-02-18 12:15 ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-18 13:04 ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-18 13:18 ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-18 15:50 ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-18 16:01 ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-17 17:41 ` McLone
2005-02-17 17:58 ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-02-16 18:31 ` Steve Simon
2005-02-16 18:37 ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-02-16 19:04 ` McLone
2005-02-16 18:59 ` McLone the Great
2005-02-17 2:24 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-17 0:15 YAMANASHI Takeshi
2005-02-22 18:06 Ben Huntsman
2005-02-22 18:12 ` George Gensure
2005-02-22 18:27 ` Brantley Coile
2005-02-23 6:25 ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-23 8:28 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-23 14:34 ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-02-23 17:03 ` Sergey Reva
[not found] ` <b78d167375dbc912a20318b51cede65a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp>
2005-02-23 12:09 ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-24 1:04 ` Kenji Okamoto
[not found] ` <0ff543a65f3c8fa9dab0a6a07def2f3a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp>
2005-02-24 5:49 ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-23 15:21 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-22 18:16 Ben Huntsman
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