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From: W B Hacker <wbh@conducive.org>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1) - LONG POST
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:30:59 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ACFF1E3.3090906@conducive.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091010023431.7111a8f6.eekee57@fastmail.fm>

Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:15:59 +0800
> W B Hacker <wbh@conducive.org> wrote:
>
>> The only 'glue' needed was level-shifters - discrete transistors on my OSI
>> Challenger II, Motorola 1488 & 1489 diode-coupled-logic on everything up until
>> the 16XXX derivative of the 8250 was sucked into a 'bridge' chipset.
>>
>
> I remember being quite surprised by the first UARTs which had level
> shifters on the chip, and they came out around 1993 or so didn't they?
> As far as I know it was hardly possible to handle RS-232's 25V signals
> on the same die as logic functions back in the 80s.

It wasn't 'hard' - especially since the 25V, though more common then than now -
was more likely to be between 7 to 15 volt, and 5V would usually get the job done...

But it just wasn't smart.

The separate circuitry - or even its PC board traces - all too often had to act
as a fuse - protecting the more expensive part of the kit with a cheap and easy
to replace module.

>
>
>> PCDOS was lousy at I/O, and Windows no better.
>
> Linux either. Makes me sad. ;-J
>
>

Don't be too harsh. All Linux lacks is a decent kernel.

;-)

Bill




      reply	other threads:[~2009-10-10  2:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<4ACED151.8060901@conducive.org>
2009-10-09 15:12 ` [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1) erik quanstrom
2009-10-09 17:51   ` [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1) LONG POST W B Hacker
2009-10-09 18:25   ` [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1) lucio
2009-10-09 20:15     ` [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1) - LONG POST W B Hacker
2009-10-10  1:34       ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2009-10-10  2:30         ` W B Hacker [this message]

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