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From: lucio@proxima.alt.za
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1)
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 2009 20:25:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bb872b2e5467b40c754a6a97e1071084@proxima.alt.za> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b30da6ed85b9cd7e99eabc3dd44e8125@ladd.quanstro.net>

> wikipedia agrees with lucio on this point
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture#Marketshare_issues
>
>> The majority within IBM never wanted into that part of the market in the first
>> place, as it was seen as cannibalizing not only 3XXX terminal sales, but the
>> entire, highly profitable, big-iron+interface+network+services infrastructure
>> behind said terminals.
>
> do you have a reference for this?

There's truth on both sides, IBM had committed to the PC because Apple
was stealing the show, but within IBM there were definitely movements
keeping the PC at bay.  My understanding was that the 8250, crappy
UART that it was, was used specifically because SDLC required
synchronous RS-232 and the 8250 didn't have it.  Note that the 8251
was compatible with the 8088 (both Intel designs, if I'm not
mistaken), where the 8250 came from National Semiconductors and
required additional glue logic (and had write-only registers and no
RESET, shudder!).

Fact is, IBM had distinct, sometimes contrasting marketing objectives.
I suspect that fighting the Taiwanese menace was as high on the agenda
as anything could possibly get.  In "Big Blues" (I think that is the
book title) it is suggested that IBM did not have a proper focus and
the PC was a knee-jerk reaction that should have been planned
considerably better.

++L




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-10-09 18:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<4ACED151.8060901@conducive.org>
2009-10-09 15:12 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-09 17:51   ` [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1) LONG POST W B Hacker
2009-10-09 18:25   ` lucio [this message]
2009-10-09 20:15     ` [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1) - " W B Hacker
2009-10-10  1:34       ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2009-10-10  2:30         ` W B Hacker
     [not found] <<a17983cabc815054d953faf2696761f2@vitanuova.com>
2009-10-08 22:42 ` [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1) erik quanstrom
2009-10-08 23:11   ` Steve Simon
     [not found] <<13426df10910080904l5dc8f3d0sc88ec19f28939a99@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-08 16:17 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-08 20:55   ` C H Forsyth
2009-10-09  4:00     ` lucio
2009-10-09  5:59       ` W B Hacker
     [not found] <<18f3fced1ebb90eb9c977b47bbcce424@vitanuova.com>
2009-10-06 22:16 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <<13426df10910061136w616f7cf9m2b566606663a9f50@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-06 18:48 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <<13426df10910061021g3b033abbia134769baee934d3@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-06 18:06 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-06 18:16   ` ron minnich
     [not found] <<85b966411695929ce06c3edd6e3fd77f@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2009-10-06 16:21 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-06 16:55   ` geoff
2009-10-06 17:21     ` ron minnich
2009-10-06 18:16       ` W B Hacker
2009-10-06 18:36         ` ron minnich
2009-10-06 18:50           ` W B Hacker
2009-10-06 19:13             ` Lyndon Nerenberg - VE6BBM/VE7TFX
2009-10-06 20:03               ` ron minnich
2009-10-06 20:58                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2009-10-06 21:15       ` Aharon Robbins
2009-10-06 21:32         ` ron minnich
2009-10-07 21:07           ` Aharon Robbins
2009-10-06 21:51         ` C H Forsyth
2009-10-07  0:19           ` Dave Eckhardt
2009-10-07  0:24             ` ron minnich
2009-10-07  1:59               ` W B Hacker
2009-10-08 16:04                 ` ron minnich
2009-10-07  7:59         ` Richard Miller
2009-10-08  7:35           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-10-08 10:44             ` Richard Miller
     [not found] <<e7fdc0d20910050644x50fc7ad2hc943a075648fdabd@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-05 13:50 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-06  5:44   ` Rodriguez Faszanatas
2009-10-06 16:16     ` geoff
2009-10-06 17:18       ` Steve Simon
2009-10-07  6:24       ` Rodriguez Faszanatas
2009-10-10  1:23         ` Ethan Grammatikidis
     [not found] <<e7fdc0d20910050205l7bfaa624m33a32f7a5269ff9a@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-05 13:16 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-05 13:44   ` Rodriguez Faszanatas
2009-10-05  9:05 Rodriguez Faszanatas

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