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From: ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1)
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 2009 11:36:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13426df10910061136w616f7cf9m2b566606663a9f50@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ACB8960.60604@conducive.org>

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:16 AM, W B Hacker <wbh@conducive.org> wrote:

>
> Anyone know if the AMD environment is any more 'open'?

way, way, more open. same with via. They regularly contribute chipset
source code to coreboot. That's my measure.

> I hadn't paid much attention to the ARM until the recent '2 GHz' blurb, but
> that's a game-changer.

I think the PC guys have got to start watching the rear view mirror.
I've seen the transition from mainframe->mini->workstation->pc in
several sectors, and one driving factor was openness. Each time a
given vendor class got into this "crown jewels and core IP" mode, and
started locking out the users, something come along to knock it off
its perch. And, in each case, the newcomer was initially slower and
not quite as good was what it replaced, which led to the status quo
vendors to ignore it until it was too late.

Excuses are eerily the same, each time, almost without regard to the
product family:
"nobody else wants that"
"we no longer release that information"
etc. etc. etc.

It's amazing.

ron



  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-06 18:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<85b966411695929ce06c3edd6e3fd77f@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2009-10-06 16:21 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-06 16:55   ` geoff
2009-10-06 17:21     ` ron minnich
2009-10-06 18:16       ` W B Hacker
2009-10-06 18:36         ` ron minnich [this message]
2009-10-06 18:50           ` W B Hacker
2009-10-06 19:13             ` Lyndon Nerenberg - VE6BBM/VE7TFX
2009-10-06 20:03               ` ron minnich
2009-10-06 20:58                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2009-10-06 21:15       ` Aharon Robbins
2009-10-06 21:32         ` ron minnich
2009-10-07 21:07           ` Aharon Robbins
2009-10-06 21:51         ` C H Forsyth
2009-10-07  0:19           ` Dave Eckhardt
2009-10-07  0:24             ` ron minnich
2009-10-07  1:59               ` W B Hacker
2009-10-08 16:04                 ` ron minnich
2009-10-07  7:59         ` Richard Miller
2009-10-08  7:35           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-10-08 10:44             ` Richard Miller
     [not found] <<4ACED151.8060901@conducive.org>
2009-10-09 15:12 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-09 18:25   ` lucio
     [not found] <<a17983cabc815054d953faf2696761f2@vitanuova.com>
2009-10-08 22:42 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-08 23:11   ` Steve Simon
     [not found] <<13426df10910080904l5dc8f3d0sc88ec19f28939a99@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-08 16:17 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-08 20:55   ` C H Forsyth
2009-10-09  4:00     ` lucio
2009-10-09  5:59       ` W B Hacker
     [not found] <<18f3fced1ebb90eb9c977b47bbcce424@vitanuova.com>
2009-10-06 22:16 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <<13426df10910061136w616f7cf9m2b566606663a9f50@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-06 18:48 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <<13426df10910061021g3b033abbia134769baee934d3@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-06 18:06 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-06 18:16   ` ron minnich
     [not found] <<e7fdc0d20910050644x50fc7ad2hc943a075648fdabd@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-05 13:50 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-06  5:44   ` Rodriguez Faszanatas
2009-10-06 16:16     ` geoff
2009-10-06 17:18       ` Steve Simon
2009-10-07  6:24       ` Rodriguez Faszanatas
2009-10-10  1:23         ` Ethan Grammatikidis
     [not found] <<e7fdc0d20910050205l7bfaa624m33a32f7a5269ff9a@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-05 13:16 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-05 13:44   ` Rodriguez Faszanatas
2009-10-05  9:05 Rodriguez Faszanatas

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