9fans - fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1)
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 2009 12:17:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d355531f695952adf72e628a6ece3303@brasstown.quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <<13426df10910080904l5dc8f3d0sc88ec19f28939a99@mail.gmail.com>>

> Thinking about it a bit more ... when systems become more and more
> closed, as x86 systems are becoming now, the field of innovation is
> reduced to what a single company can think of -- the monopoly
> provider, so to speak.

you're right "nobody wants to do that" is not a good argument.
but on the other hand, it's not clear to me that the slippery slope
"more and more closed" holds.  it could also be that things go
in cycles.  when i started in pcs (1983), everything was wide open.
but by 1990 with microchannel &c. things were much more closed off.
new things tend to be closed off for various reasons.  sometimes i
think companies are embarassed to document first attempts.

the problem with arm and whatnot is that there is no standard
platform.  so drivers in the embedded world tend to have a much shorter
lifetime than pcs, since platforms churn so quickly.  and the differences
tend to be deeper.

so the left hand taketh what the right hand giveth.

- erik



       reply	other threads:[~2009-10-08 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<13426df10910080904l5dc8f3d0sc88ec19f28939a99@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-08 16:17 ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2009-10-08 20:55   ` C H Forsyth
2009-10-09  4:00     ` lucio
2009-10-09  5:59       ` W B Hacker
     [not found] <<4ACED151.8060901@conducive.org>
2009-10-09 15:12 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-09 18:25   ` lucio
     [not found] <<a17983cabc815054d953faf2696761f2@vitanuova.com>
2009-10-08 22:42 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-08 23:11   ` Steve Simon
     [not found] <<18f3fced1ebb90eb9c977b47bbcce424@vitanuova.com>
2009-10-06 22:16 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <<13426df10910061136w616f7cf9m2b566606663a9f50@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-06 18:48 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <<13426df10910061021g3b033abbia134769baee934d3@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-06 18:06 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-06 18:16   ` ron minnich
     [not found] <<85b966411695929ce06c3edd6e3fd77f@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2009-10-06 16:21 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-06 16:55   ` geoff
2009-10-06 17:21     ` ron minnich
2009-10-06 18:16       ` W B Hacker
2009-10-06 18:36         ` ron minnich
2009-10-06 18:50           ` W B Hacker
2009-10-06 19:13             ` Lyndon Nerenberg - VE6BBM/VE7TFX
2009-10-06 20:03               ` ron minnich
2009-10-06 20:58                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2009-10-06 21:15       ` Aharon Robbins
2009-10-06 21:32         ` ron minnich
2009-10-07 21:07           ` Aharon Robbins
2009-10-06 21:51         ` C H Forsyth
2009-10-07  0:19           ` Dave Eckhardt
2009-10-07  0:24             ` ron minnich
2009-10-07  1:59               ` W B Hacker
2009-10-08 16:04                 ` ron minnich
2009-10-07  7:59         ` Richard Miller
2009-10-08  7:35           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-10-08 10:44             ` Richard Miller
     [not found] <<e7fdc0d20910050644x50fc7ad2hc943a075648fdabd@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-05 13:50 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-06  5:44   ` Rodriguez Faszanatas
2009-10-06 16:16     ` geoff
2009-10-06 17:18       ` Steve Simon
2009-10-07  6:24       ` Rodriguez Faszanatas
2009-10-10  1:23         ` Ethan Grammatikidis
     [not found] <<e7fdc0d20910050205l7bfaa624m33a32f7a5269ff9a@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-05 13:16 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-05 13:44   ` Rodriguez Faszanatas
2009-10-05  9:05 Rodriguez Faszanatas

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=d355531f695952adf72e628a6ece3303@brasstown.quanstro.net \
    --to=quanstro@quanstro.net \
    --cc=9fans@9fans.net \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).