* [9fans] A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... @ 2007-12-07 19:34 dave.l 2007-12-12 10:13 ` [9fans] " pavlovetsky 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: dave.l @ 2007-12-07 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans Of The OS Plan 9 From Bell Labs ... are at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/essellarr/sets/72157603397503752/ If anyone wants any of them deleted due to privacy or bad-hair-day issues, please email me off-list. DaveL ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-07 19:34 [9fans] A few photos of IWP9 2007 dave.l @ 2007-12-12 10:13 ` pavlovetsky 2007-12-12 16:38 ` geoff 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: pavlovetsky @ 2007-12-12 10:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Dec 7, 9:37 pm, dav...@mac.com wrote: > ... are at:http://www.flickr.com/photos/essellarr/sets/72157603397503752/ > > If anyone wants any of them deleted due to privacy or bad-hair-day > issues, > please email me off-list. > > DaveL I would like to take a look at the paper called ¨UNIX and Beyond: Themes in Operating System Research¨, presented by Dennis M. Ritchie. It is missing. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-12 10:13 ` [9fans] " pavlovetsky @ 2007-12-12 16:38 ` geoff 2007-12-12 17:40 ` Anant Narayanan 2007-12-12 21:14 ` Joel C. Salomon 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: geoff @ 2007-12-12 16:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 93 bytes --] We didn't require papers for the invited talks, and `Unix and Beyond' was an invited talk. [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 2839 bytes --] From: pavlovetsky@gmail.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:13:54 GMT Message-ID: <312d1f4d-a343-4884-a8df-c69754783329@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com> On Dec 7, 9:37 pm, dav...@mac.com wrote: > ... are at:http://www.flickr.com/photos/essellarr/sets/72157603397503752/ > > If anyone wants any of them deleted due to privacy or bad-hair-day > issues, > please email me off-list. > > DaveL I would like to take a look at the paper called ¨UNIX and Beyond: Themes in Operating System Research¨, presented by Dennis M. Ritchie. It is missing. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-12 16:38 ` geoff @ 2007-12-12 17:40 ` Anant Narayanan 2007-12-12 18:27 ` Axel Belinfante 2007-12-12 21:14 ` Joel C. Salomon 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Anant Narayanan @ 2007-12-12 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > We didn't require papers for the invited talks, and `Unix and Beyond' > was an invited talk. Let's hope Andrey and Lucho are able to put up the video instead :) -- Anant ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-12 17:40 ` Anant Narayanan @ 2007-12-12 18:27 ` Axel Belinfante 2007-12-12 19:21 ` ron minnich 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Axel Belinfante @ 2007-12-12 18:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > > We didn't require papers for the invited talks, and `Unix and Beyond' > > was an invited talk. > > Let's hope Andrey and Lucho are able to put up the video instead :) In the mean time I also have some photos, including of that talk. I'm not entirely happy about them, but that's what I have. they may load slowly (around 150-200kB each, I think) http://picasaweb.google.com/axelpics/IWP92007?authkey=HCND7clY6nA Axel. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-12 18:27 ` Axel Belinfante @ 2007-12-12 19:21 ` ron minnich 2007-12-12 19:46 ` Axel Belinfante 2007-12-12 19:54 ` Skip Tavakkolian 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: ron minnich @ 2007-12-12 19:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs you're a good photographer, Axel! I really enjoyed these pictures. ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-12 19:21 ` ron minnich @ 2007-12-12 19:46 ` Axel Belinfante 2007-12-12 19:54 ` Skip Tavakkolian 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Axel Belinfante @ 2007-12-12 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > you're a good photographer, Axel! I really enjoyed these pictures. thanks for the praise. and thanks to you all there for the photo opportunities. I really enjoyed shooting these pictures -- the camera and lenses still classify as 'a new toy' :-) I am sorry I did not think in time about group photos... :-/ Axel. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-12 19:21 ` ron minnich 2007-12-12 19:46 ` Axel Belinfante @ 2007-12-12 19:54 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2007-12-14 0:19 ` Roman Shaposhnik 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2007-12-12 19:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > you're a good photographer, Axel! I really enjoyed these pictures. I second that. Also thanks to everyone involved in making the videos. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-12 19:54 ` Skip Tavakkolian @ 2007-12-14 0:19 ` Roman Shaposhnik 2007-12-14 0:27 ` ron minnich 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Roman Shaposhnik @ 2007-12-14 0:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 14:54 -0500, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > you're a good photographer, Axel! I really enjoyed these pictures. > > I second that. Also thanks to everyone involved in making the > videos. I apologize for the mee-too reply, but these videos literally saved me from sliding into depression when I realized that IWP9 took place in US and I had a very real chance of attending. I just blew it! :-( But thanks to all those who made them possible at least I don't have to bang my head against the wall as hard as I might have otherwise :-) Now, to get a headstart on IWP9 2008: what is the likeliest time and place for it so far? Thanks, Roman. P.S. For some idiotic reason I assumed the location to be Europe and I told myself that even if I wanted to go that would be too much of a paperwork hassle. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-14 0:19 ` Roman Shaposhnik @ 2007-12-14 0:27 ` ron minnich 2007-12-14 0:34 ` dave.l ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: ron minnich @ 2007-12-14 0:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I am pushing for IWP9 to be in sonoma, where people will vie for the privelege of giving you fine wines and foods; or cancun, which is ok except it's not california. Nemo wants it in the greek island of incognita. There have been very few tourists taken hostage there in the last month, as compared to the previous 23 months, and nemo says it is perfectly safe, as long as there are fewer hurricanes than there usually are. ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-14 0:27 ` ron minnich @ 2007-12-14 0:34 ` dave.l 2007-12-14 2:16 ` Joel C. Salomon ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: dave.l @ 2007-12-14 0:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I vote for Sydney! On 14 Dec 2007, at 00:27, ron minnich wrote: > I am pushing for IWP9 to be in sonoma, where people will vie for the > privelege of giving you fine wines and foods; or cancun, which is ok > except it's not california. > > Nemo wants it in the greek island of incognita. There have been very > few tourists taken hostage there in the last month, as compared to the > previous 23 months, and nemo says it is perfectly safe, as long as > there are fewer hurricanes than there usually are. > > ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-14 0:27 ` ron minnich 2007-12-14 0:34 ` dave.l @ 2007-12-14 2:16 ` Joel C. Salomon 2007-12-14 8:41 ` Francisco J Ballesteros 2007-12-14 11:11 ` Gorka Guardiola 3 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Joel C. Salomon @ 2007-12-14 2:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I got a good offer from the Touristic Agency of Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan... --Joel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-14 0:27 ` ron minnich 2007-12-14 0:34 ` dave.l 2007-12-14 2:16 ` Joel C. Salomon @ 2007-12-14 8:41 ` Francisco J Ballesteros 2007-12-14 16:09 ` ron minnich 2007-12-14 11:11 ` Gorka Guardiola 3 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2007-12-14 8:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs We asked the 9fan we know at Greece and it seems that perhaps october in greece is an option, should we want to have it hosted there. On Dec 14, 2007 1:27 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote: > I am pushing for IWP9 to be in sonoma, where people will vie for the > privelege of giving you fine wines and foods; or cancun, which is ok > except it's not california. > > Nemo wants it in the greek island of incognita. There have been very > few tourists taken hostage there in the last month, as compared to the > previous 23 months, and nemo says it is perfectly safe, as long as > there are fewer hurricanes than there usually are. > > ron > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-14 8:41 ` Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2007-12-14 16:09 ` ron minnich 2007-12-14 16:34 ` Francisco J Ballesteros 2007-12-14 16:35 ` Gorka Guardiola 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: ron minnich @ 2007-12-14 16:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Dec 14, 2007 12:41 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <nemo@lsub.org> wrote: > We asked the 9fan we know at Greece and it seems that perhaps > october in greece is an option, should we want to have it hosted there. What organization is there to handle arrangements? This kind of thing is a lot of work. Is there a hotel that can support us? Where in Greece are you looking? This may sound crazy but it's not too early to start planning. thanks ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-14 16:09 ` ron minnich @ 2007-12-14 16:34 ` Francisco J Ballesteros 2007-12-14 20:58 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 2007-12-16 2:01 ` Dave Eckhardt 2007-12-14 16:35 ` Gorka Guardiola 1 sibling, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2007-12-14 16:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs There's a 9fan at university of thesaly, at volos. He's willing to help. Another option would be to do it at an island, but this requires hiring a room for the meeting at a hotel and this means there'd have to be a registration fee. On Dec 14, 2007 5:09 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 14, 2007 12:41 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <nemo@lsub.org> wrote: > > We asked the 9fan we know at Greece and it seems that perhaps > > october in greece is an option, should we want to have it hosted there. > > What organization is there to handle arrangements? This kind of thing > is a lot of work. Is there a hotel that can support us? > > Where in Greece are you looking? This may sound crazy but it's not too > early to start planning. > > thanks > > ron > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-14 16:34 ` Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2007-12-14 20:58 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 2007-12-16 2:01 ` Dave Eckhardt 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2007-12-14 20:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 2007-Dec-14, at 08:34 , Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: > Another option would be to do it at an island, but this > requires hiring a room for the meeting at a hotel and this > means there'd have to be a registration fee. Or find a spot with a reasonable hostel or two nearby? I don't think we're the type of crowd that requires 5-star hotels. (I don't, anyway, and what I save on the hotel would likely cover my airfare.) Naturally this assumes we can hijack meeting space from a university or other donor, which rules out the islands I assume. --lyndon ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-14 16:34 ` Francisco J Ballesteros 2007-12-14 20:58 ` Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2007-12-16 2:01 ` Dave Eckhardt 2007-12-16 4:22 ` Noah Evans 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Dave Eckhardt @ 2007-12-16 2:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > Another option would be to do it at an island, but this > requires hiring a room for the meeting at a hotel and this > means there'd have to be a registration fee. Given travel costs, an extra $50 would be noise (though I would support a two-tier structure like $50 for students and $100 for non-). But the first week of December will continue to be impossible for me. First week of *October*, though... Dave Eckhardt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-16 2:01 ` Dave Eckhardt @ 2007-12-16 4:22 ` Noah Evans 2007-12-16 4:43 ` ron minnich 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Noah Evans @ 2007-12-16 4:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I'd like to vote for October too. December is dangerously close to finals/thesis deadlines for a lot of students. Noah On Dec 16, 2007 11:01 AM, Dave Eckhardt <davide+p9@cs.cmu.edu> wrote: > > Another option would be to do it at an island, but this > > requires hiring a room for the meeting at a hotel and this > > means there'd have to be a registration fee. > > Given travel costs, an extra $50 would be noise (though I > would support a two-tier structure like $50 for students > and $100 for non-). > > But the first week of December will continue to be impossible > for me. First week of *October*, though... > > Dave Eckhardt > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-16 4:22 ` Noah Evans @ 2007-12-16 4:43 ` ron minnich 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: ron minnich @ 2007-12-16 4:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Dec 15, 2007 8:22 PM, Noah Evans <noah.evans@gmail.com> wrote: > I'd like to vote for October too. December is dangerously close to > finals/thesis deadlines for a lot of students. me too. Dec. is too cold in this hemisphere. ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-14 16:09 ` ron minnich 2007-12-14 16:34 ` Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2007-12-14 16:35 ` Gorka Guardiola 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Gorka Guardiola @ 2007-12-14 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Dec 14, 2007 5:09 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 14, 2007 12:41 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <nemo@lsub.org> wrote: > > We asked the 9fan we know at Greece and it seems that perhaps > > october in greece is an option, should we want to have it hosted there. > We are talking about volos: http://www.greeka.com/thessaly/pelion/greece-volos.htm > What organization is there to handle arrangements? This kind of thing > is a lot of work. Is there a hotel that can support us? A University. And we (as in nemo, quique and me) would help with the organization. > > Where in Greece are you looking? This may sound crazy but it's not too > early to start planning. > No, it is not too early. -- - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-14 0:27 ` ron minnich ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2007-12-14 8:41 ` Francisco J Ballesteros @ 2007-12-14 11:11 ` Gorka Guardiola 2007-12-14 17:02 ` Skip Tavakkolian 3 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Gorka Guardiola @ 2007-12-14 11:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Dec 14, 2007 1:27 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote: > I am pushing for IWP9 to be in sonoma, where people will vie for the > privelege of giving you fine wines and foods; or cancun, which is ok > except it's not california. Yeah, in Cancún in the hurricane season everything is ok. Well... except for the hurricanes. Luckily in Sonoma there is only earthquakes. > > Nemo wants it in the greek island of incognita. There have been very > few tourists taken hostage there in the last month, as compared to the > previous 23 months, and nemo says it is perfectly safe, as long as > there are fewer hurricanes than there usually are. > You are confused. We are talking about Greece (the country), not the greek neighborhood of your city. No hostages in Greece for a while. The last important hostage problem was Helen, and there was a war, but that was a while ago. -- - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-14 11:11 ` Gorka Guardiola @ 2007-12-14 17:02 ` Skip Tavakkolian 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2007-12-14 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >> I am pushing for IWP9 to be in sonoma, where people will vie for the >> privelege of giving you fine wines and foods; or cancun, which is ok >> except it's not california. > > Yeah, in Cancún in the hurricane season everything is ok. Well... except > for the hurricanes. Luckily in Sonoma there is only earthquakes. but with the exchange rate for USD, attendees from other parts of the world could bring their families and send them to disney land for a week for about 10 euros i think :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-12 16:38 ` geoff 2007-12-12 17:40 ` Anant Narayanan @ 2007-12-12 21:14 ` Joel C. Salomon 2007-12-12 22:38 ` Robert William Fuller 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Joel C. Salomon @ 2007-12-12 21:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Dec 12, 2007 11:38 AM, <geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote: > We didn't require papers for the invited talks, and `Unix and Beyond' > was an invited talk. A version of the PowerPoint slides can be found via Google. --Joel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-12 21:14 ` Joel C. Salomon @ 2007-12-12 22:38 ` Robert William Fuller 2007-12-12 23:47 ` Joel C. Salomon 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Robert William Fuller @ 2007-12-12 22:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Joel C. Salomon wrote: > On Dec 12, 2007 11:38 AM, <geoff@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote: >> We didn't require papers for the invited talks, and `Unix and Beyond' >> was an invited talk. > > A version of the PowerPoint slides can be found via Google. I found some old versions of it (circa 2003). A link to a newer version would be helpful. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-12 22:38 ` Robert William Fuller @ 2007-12-12 23:47 ` Joel C. Salomon 2007-12-13 1:26 ` dmr 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Joel C. Salomon @ 2007-12-12 23:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Dec 12, 2007 5:38 PM, Robert William Fuller <hydrologiccycle@gmail.com> wrote: > > A version of the PowerPoint slides [for dmr's talk] can be found via Google. > > I found some old versions of it (circa 2003). A link to a newer version > would be helpful. Can someone at the Labs ask Dennis if he updated the slides at all for his talk? Something he said makes me think probably not. --Joel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Re: A few photos of IWP9 2007 ... 2007-12-12 23:47 ` Joel C. Salomon @ 2007-12-13 1:26 ` dmr 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: dmr @ 2007-12-13 1:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans The slides I actually presented are now (thanks Geoff) at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/iwp9/dmr_iwp9.ppt The date has been updated, but otherwise they're the same as those I gave in Dec 2004 (which might have been tweaked since 2003). Dennis ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
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