Re: [9fans] Is IBM ThinkPad R60e notebook compatible with Plan9?

[Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com>]

On 5/11/07, lucio@proxima.alt.za <lucio@proxima.alt.za> wrote:
> > I'm starting to suspect that maybe nobody cares about the future of Plan 9.
>
> You could not be more mistaken.  Do you seriously believe that your
> ranting is going to save Plan 9?  If you do, you might want to
> consider that many of us do not believe in the "Cathedral vs Bazaar"
> approach to computer programming.  And of these infidels, some happen
> to be those who created and nursed Plan 9 to where it is today.

I have not even read the god damned "Cathedral and Bazaar" book. But I
have read The Mythical Man Month and anything by Kernighan (and the
rest of the 1127 gang) I could find anywhere, including things like:

"Design and build software, even operating systems, to be tried early,
ideally within weeks."

-- The Bell System Technical Journal. Bell Laboratories. M. D. McIlroy,
E.  N. Pinson, and B. A. Tague. "Unix Time-Sharing System Forward" 1978.
57 (6, part 2). p. 1902.

It is beyond me how anyone expects things to be "tried early" if the
code remains locked up who knows where for years. The "release early,
release often" open source mantra trivially follows from this
principle.

In any case, it is clear that no matter how much we hate open source
and open source projects, Plan 9 needs an open source community if it
is going to survive, and if we continue to display total contempt even
towards its most basic practices Plan 9 will continue to be ignored by
the open source community and will wither and die (if it is not dead
already).

Seen somewhere earlier today (nick name removed because apparently no
one dears to criticize in public):

12:05 < XXXX> I find quite frustrating to start a project that is
already done...
12:05 < XXXX> To look for a driver that is already there...
12:05 < XXXX> To have an idea that someone else is doing...
12:06  * XXXX grrrrsss and rants...
12:06 < uriel> talking about 9fans?
12:06 < XXXX> Of course.
12:11 < XXXX> [sources/contrib] is great, as long as people put their
work there...
12:11 < XXXX> And an INDEX...

uriel