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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Petabytes on a budget: JBODs + Linux + JFS
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:02:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <650f1c31a83a452580882cbad2dfbba7@quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090921174310.D5B4C5B55@mail.bitblocks.com>

> > i would think this is acceptable.  at these low levels, something
> > else is going to get you -- like drives failing unindependently.
> > say because of power problems.
>
> 8% rate for an array rebuild may or may not be acceptable
> depending on your application.

i think the lesson here is don't by cheep drives; if you
have enterprise drives at 1e-15 error rate, the fail rate
will be 0.8%.  of course if you don't have a raid, the fail
rate is 100%.

if that's not acceptable, then use raid 6.

> > so there are 4 ways to fail.  3 double fail have a probability of
> > 3*(2^9 bits * 1e-14 1/ bit)^2
>
> Why 2^9 bits? A sector is 2^9 bytes or 2^12 bits.

cut-and-paste error.  sorry that was 2^19 bits, e.g. 64k*8 bits/byte.
the calculation is still correct, since it was done on that basis.

> If per sector recovery is done, you have
> 	3E-22*(64K/512) = 3.84E-20

i'd be interested to know if anyone does this.  it's not
as easy as it would first appear.  do you know of any
hardware or software that does sector-level recovery?

i don't have enough data to know how likely it is to
have exactly 1 bad sector.  any references?

- erik



  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-21 18:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-14 16:43 erik quanstrom
2009-09-20 20:13 ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-21  3:37   ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-21 17:43     ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-21 18:02       ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2009-09-21 18:49         ` Wes Kussmaul
2009-09-21 19:21           ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-21 20:57             ` Wes Kussmaul
2009-09-21 22:42               ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22 10:59             ` matt
2009-09-21 19:10         ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-21 20:30           ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-21 20:57             ` Jack Norton
2009-09-21 23:38               ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-21 22:07             ` Bakul Shah
2009-09-21 23:35               ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-22  0:45                 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]               ` <6DC61E4A6EC613C81AC1688E@192.168.1.2>
2009-09-21 23:50                 ` Eris Discordia
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-09-04  0:53 Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-09-04  1:20 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04  9:37   ` matt
2009-09-04 14:30     ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 16:54     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-09-04 12:24   ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-04 12:41     ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 13:56       ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-04 14:10         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 18:34           ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]       ` <48F03982350BA904DFFA266E@192.168.1.2>
2009-09-07 20:02         ` Uriel
2009-09-08 13:32           ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-04 16:52   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-09-04 17:27     ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-04 17:37       ` Jack Norton
2009-09-04 18:33         ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-08 16:53           ` Jack Norton
2009-09-08 17:16             ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-08 18:17               ` Jack Norton
2009-09-08 18:54                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-14 15:50                   ` Jack Norton
2009-09-14 17:05                     ` Russ Cox
2009-09-14 17:48                       ` Jack Norton
2009-09-04 23:25   ` James Tomaschke

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