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From: Richard Bilson <rcbilson@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] const
Date: Fri,  9 Dec 2005 11:59:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <676c3c4f0512090859n72ec5bd1rfa7742b43faf526b@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60512090825n4d944cc8yb2f668e3deb64dec@mail.gmail.com>

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On 12/9/05, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Volatile is useful for telling compilers not to stick  data in registers,
> which is helpful for multi-threaded situations with shared memory ...
> sometimes :)
>
> If I were to write a semaphore or another synchronization method using
> shared memory on unix I'd probably type volatile and then pray :).
>
> It often feels more of a faith issue than a knowledge issue though :)
>

It is a matter of faith, and usually misplaced at that, since volatile isn't
usually defined to place any constraints on the order in which operations
become visible to other processors. Certainly not in the C, C++, or POSIX
standards, although some platform ABIs do specify this to some degree.

Both POSIX and C++ are trying to deal with this, but it's an uphill battle
since processors differ widely on the sorts of constraints that they can
support efficiently.

In the meantime, people sprinkle volatile around and pray. All the world's
an x86, right?

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-09 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-07 10:34 Steve Simon
2005-12-07 12:17 ` Russ Cox
2005-12-07 13:01   ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]   ` <000401c5fb32$64502e00$14aaa8c0@utelsystems.local>
2005-12-07 14:10     ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
2005-12-07 15:05       ` Steve Simon
2005-12-07 15:30         ` Lucio De Re
2005-12-07 15:53           ` C H Forsyth
     [not found]         ` <1E68F99F-78D7-4321-BE56-7D0319212596@telus.net>
2005-12-07 16:11           ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
2005-12-07 17:27             ` Paul Lalonde
2005-12-07 16:23 ` jmk
2005-12-07 17:28   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-12-07 18:51   ` Joel Salomon
2005-12-07 18:58     ` Charles Forsyth
2005-12-07 19:30       ` Joel Salomon
2005-12-07 19:36         ` Brantley Coile
2005-12-07 19:51         ` rog
2005-12-07 21:07         ` Charles Forsyth
2005-12-07 21:18           ` Bruce Ellis
2005-12-07 21:22           ` Paul Lalonde
2005-12-07 22:04             ` Rob Pike
2005-12-07 22:44           ` Micah Stetson
2005-12-07 22:44             ` Micah Stetson
2005-12-07 22:46               ` Brantley Coile
2005-12-07 20:33     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-12-08  7:39 ` geoff
2005-12-08  7:53   ` Lucio De Re
2005-12-08  7:54     ` geoff
2005-12-08 10:23       ` Bruce Ellis
2005-12-08 15:58   ` Brantley Coile
2005-12-09  1:44     ` geoff
2005-12-09  2:04       ` Russ Cox
2005-12-09  2:19         ` geoff
2005-12-09  9:54         ` Charles Forsyth
2005-12-09 16:25   ` David Leimbach
2005-12-09 16:59     ` Richard Bilson [this message]
2005-12-09 17:42       ` David Leimbach
2005-12-09 19:17         ` Richard Bilson
2005-12-09 17:01     ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-12-09 17:39       ` Russ Cox
2005-12-09 17:40       ` [9fans] PCICIA Modem TamTam
2005-12-09 18:59         ` Sascha Retzki
2005-12-12 15:07         ` Paweł Lasek
2005-12-26  9:00           ` Martin C. Atkins
2005-12-26 14:19             ` Paweł Lasek
2005-12-09 19:37       ` [9fans] Re: const Nikita Danilov
2005-12-09 20:30         ` Russ Cox
2005-12-09 20:37         ` Ronald G Minnich

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