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From: Richard Bilson <rcbilson@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] const
Date: Fri,  9 Dec 2005 14:17:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <676c3c4f0512091117j5acef713g7438f12d7d9f9c24@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60512090942w50850e9cv9a8d8d4870a6e81c@mail.gmail.com>

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On 12/9/05, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I think I'd be happier with new compiler pragmas in this case than a
> keyword.  Then at least I KNOW that it can be ignored and will be optionally
> supported by compilers on a per-case basis.
>
> But then again, that's also true for "inline" in C++.  It's just a
> suggestion, one that can be ignored.  The compiler can also inline stuff I
> didn't ask it to.  [C99  has inline now too doesn't it?]


The difference is that with memory barriers it's often the case that the
correctness of the algorithm depends on the placement of the barriers.
Consider writing a portable spin-lock: it's crucial that other processors
not be able to observe the lock open unless they also observe previous
memory writes in the critical section. But, in the absence of memory
barriers, many CPUs don't guarantee this.

The simple answer, of course, is to put the barriers in non-portable lock
code and use the locks to protect shared state. But the general experience
seems to be that programmers will try anything to avoid locks, for
performance reasons. Double-checked locking is the classic example -- it's
such a popular idiom that Java redefined the meaning of "volatile" to make
it work. C++ will probably do something similar.

And yes, C99 has inline, but to make things interesting they gave it a
slightly different meaning than in C++.

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-09 19:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-07 10:34 Steve Simon
2005-12-07 12:17 ` Russ Cox
2005-12-07 13:01   ` erik quanstrom
     [not found]   ` <000401c5fb32$64502e00$14aaa8c0@utelsystems.local>
2005-12-07 14:10     ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
2005-12-07 15:05       ` Steve Simon
2005-12-07 15:30         ` Lucio De Re
2005-12-07 15:53           ` C H Forsyth
     [not found]         ` <1E68F99F-78D7-4321-BE56-7D0319212596@telus.net>
2005-12-07 16:11           ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
2005-12-07 17:27             ` Paul Lalonde
2005-12-07 16:23 ` jmk
2005-12-07 17:28   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-12-07 18:51   ` Joel Salomon
2005-12-07 18:58     ` Charles Forsyth
2005-12-07 19:30       ` Joel Salomon
2005-12-07 19:36         ` Brantley Coile
2005-12-07 19:51         ` rog
2005-12-07 21:07         ` Charles Forsyth
2005-12-07 21:18           ` Bruce Ellis
2005-12-07 21:22           ` Paul Lalonde
2005-12-07 22:04             ` Rob Pike
2005-12-07 22:44           ` Micah Stetson
2005-12-07 22:44             ` Micah Stetson
2005-12-07 22:46               ` Brantley Coile
2005-12-07 20:33     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-12-08  7:39 ` geoff
2005-12-08  7:53   ` Lucio De Re
2005-12-08  7:54     ` geoff
2005-12-08 10:23       ` Bruce Ellis
2005-12-08 15:58   ` Brantley Coile
2005-12-09  1:44     ` geoff
2005-12-09  2:04       ` Russ Cox
2005-12-09  2:19         ` geoff
2005-12-09  9:54         ` Charles Forsyth
2005-12-09 16:25   ` David Leimbach
2005-12-09 16:59     ` Richard Bilson
2005-12-09 17:42       ` David Leimbach
2005-12-09 19:17         ` Richard Bilson [this message]
2005-12-09 17:01     ` Ronald G Minnich
2005-12-09 17:39       ` Russ Cox
2005-12-09 17:40       ` [9fans] PCICIA Modem TamTam
2005-12-09 18:59         ` Sascha Retzki
2005-12-12 15:07         ` Paweł Lasek
2005-12-26  9:00           ` Martin C. Atkins
2005-12-26 14:19             ` Paweł Lasek
2005-12-09 19:37       ` [9fans] Re: const Nikita Danilov
2005-12-09 20:30         ` Russ Cox
2005-12-09 20:37         ` Ronald G Minnich

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