* [9fans] robust heterogenous home file server?
@ 2007-08-09 13:58 Axel Belinfante
2007-08-09 14:10 ` Gabriel Diaz
2007-08-09 14:26 ` Abhey Shah
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From: Axel Belinfante @ 2007-08-09 13:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
I'm finally producing data at home that I care about (DSLR, shooting RAW)
so I'm wondering how to construct a robust file server that allows
heterogenous access (windows, mac, linux, plan9), is affordable,
low-power, ideally low noise, low-maintenance (I like kenf) and preferably
can be built with little effort using of-the-shelf items.
robustness being the main criterion.
I've been looking at coraids products but they seem a bit high-endish...
something like that but then 'smaller' might be nice.
I'm unsure about plugging usb-drives into wireless access points
(what is apple's bonjour? open in any way?)
any thoughts, experiences? (does, don'ts?)
Axel.
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* Re: [9fans] robust heterogenous home file server?
2007-08-09 13:58 [9fans] robust heterogenous home file server? Axel Belinfante
@ 2007-08-09 14:10 ` Gabriel Diaz
2007-08-09 14:27 ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-09 14:26 ` Abhey Shah
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From: Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-08-09 14:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
hello
i found this one interesting:
http://www.amazon.com/LaCie-Ethernet-External-Drive-300963/dp/B000BKJ5Z0
1TB for about 650USD (about 400USD second hand)
is still a bit expensive, but may be it works. I don't know if coraid
has something like it (i think the 1U appliance was about 2kUSD). I'm
would love something like that too, i lost three hard drives on my
last move, including the 9grid.es one :(.
slds.
gabi
On 8/9/07, Axel Belinfante <Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl> wrote:
> I'm finally producing data at home that I care about (DSLR, shooting RAW)
> so I'm wondering how to construct a robust file server that allows
> heterogenous access (windows, mac, linux, plan9), is affordable,
> low-power, ideally low noise, low-maintenance (I like kenf) and preferably
> can be built with little effort using of-the-shelf items.
> robustness being the main criterion.
>
> I've been looking at coraids products but they seem a bit high-endish...
> something like that but then 'smaller' might be nice.
> I'm unsure about plugging usb-drives into wireless access points
> (what is apple's bonjour? open in any way?)
>
>
> any thoughts, experiences? (does, don'ts?)
>
> Axel.
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] robust heterogenous home file server?
2007-08-09 13:58 [9fans] robust heterogenous home file server? Axel Belinfante
2007-08-09 14:10 ` Gabriel Diaz
@ 2007-08-09 14:26 ` Abhey Shah
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From: Abhey Shah @ 2007-08-09 14:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
drobo
Looks really easy to use and very robust to hard drive failure but
the bad things about it are: It doesn't work with linux, is
overpriced and only uses USB.
On 9 Aug 2007, at 14:58, Axel Belinfante wrote:
> I'm finally producing data at home that I care about (DSLR,
> shooting RAW)
> so I'm wondering how to construct a robust file server that allows
> heterogenous access (windows, mac, linux, plan9), is affordable,
> low-power, ideally low noise, low-maintenance (I like kenf) and
> preferably
> can be built with little effort using of-the-shelf items.
> robustness being the main criterion.
>
> I've been looking at coraids products but they seem a bit high-
> endish...
> something like that but then 'smaller' might be nice.
> I'm unsure about plugging usb-drives into wireless access points
> (what is apple's bonjour? open in any way?)
>
>
> any thoughts, experiences? (does, don'ts?)
>
> Axel.
>
>
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* Re: [9fans] robust heterogenous home file server?
2007-08-09 14:10 ` Gabriel Diaz
@ 2007-08-09 14:27 ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-09 15:38 ` Gabriel Diaz
2007-08-09 17:02 ` Lucio De Re
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2007-08-09 14:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> hello
>
> i found this one interesting:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/LaCie-Ethernet-External-Drive-300963/dp/B000BKJ5Z0
>
> 1TB for about 650USD (about 400USD second hand)
>
> is still a bit expensive, but may be it works. I don't know if coraid
> has something like it (i think the 1U appliance was about 2kUSD). I'm
> would love something like that too, i lost three hard drives on my
> last move, including the 9grid.es one :(.
>
> slds.
>
> gabi
the lacie doesn't seem to have raid or hot-swappable disks.
coraid sr appliances have both and export a block device
not a filesystem.
to make something smaller than the 1U sr0420, one would need
to have fewer than 4 disks. 4 disks is unfortunately the minimum
required for raid5+1 hot spare.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] robust heterogenous home file server?
2007-08-09 14:27 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2007-08-09 15:38 ` Gabriel Diaz
2007-08-09 17:02 ` Lucio De Re
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From: Gabriel Diaz @ 2007-08-09 15:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
hello
you're right, i just was pointing those disks looks more for home use
than coraid products, iirc lacie has also some raid thing with 4 disks
for 200USD more.
i just found the link: http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=10876
but their description is a bit confusing:
"Comments : 1TB (Terabyte) = 1000GB. 1GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes.
Total accessible capacity varies depending upon operating environment
(typically 10–15% less).
*compatible through SMB, AFP not supported. Not compatible with the
Windows(r) Backup & Recovery Software
**Only one client license is provided. Additional licenses can be purchased.
Box Content : LaCie Ethernet Disk RAID with 4 hard disks in trays;
Ethernet cable & power cord; Utilities CD-ROM with User Manual;
Windows(r) Backup & Recovery Software**, Quick Install Guide"
will it support that windows backup thing? :-D if not, i wonder why it
is included hehe.
gabi
On 8/9/07, erik quanstrom <quanstro@coraid.com> wrote:
> > hello
> >
> > i found this one interesting:
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/LaCie-Ethernet-External-Drive-300963/dp/B000BKJ5Z0
> >
> > 1TB for about 650USD (about 400USD second hand)
> >
> > is still a bit expensive, but may be it works. I don't know if coraid
> > has something like it (i think the 1U appliance was about 2kUSD). I'm
> > would love something like that too, i lost three hard drives on my
> > last move, including the 9grid.es one :(.
> >
> > slds.
> >
> > gabi
>
> the lacie doesn't seem to have raid or hot-swappable disks.
>
> coraid sr appliances have both and export a block device
> not a filesystem.
>
> to make something smaller than the 1U sr0420, one would need
> to have fewer than 4 disks. 4 disks is unfortunately the minimum
> required for raid5+1 hot spare.
>
> - erik
>
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* Re: [9fans] robust heterogenous home file server?
2007-08-09 14:27 ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-09 15:38 ` Gabriel Diaz
@ 2007-08-09 17:02 ` Lucio De Re
2007-08-09 17:20 ` erik quanstrom
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From: Lucio De Re @ 2007-08-09 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> to make something smaller than the 1U sr0420, one would need
> to have fewer than 4 disks. 4 disks is unfortunately the minimum
> required for raid5+1 hot spare.
I hope this doesn't sound like teaching grandma to suck eggs, but
would laptop-sized disks not help at least with dimensions, I'm not
sure about price?
++L
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* Re: [9fans] robust heterogenous home file server?
2007-08-09 17:02 ` Lucio De Re
@ 2007-08-09 17:20 ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-09 17:38 ` Lucio De Re
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2007-08-09 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: lucio, 9fans
> I hope this doesn't sound like teaching grandma to suck eggs, but
> would laptop-sized disks not help at least with dimensions, I'm not
> sure about price?
that's a good point.
our first product used laptop drives. at the time one could get more
bytes/u of rack space with laptop drives. that's no longer the case.
sata drives have gotten much larger and faster. laptop drives have
gotten a little bigger but not much faster.
if you want a really cheep aoe device. use vblade on a pair of
fs(3)-mirrored sata drives. i do that at home.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] robust heterogenous home file server?
2007-08-09 17:20 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2007-08-09 17:38 ` Lucio De Re
2007-08-09 17:42 ` erik quanstrom
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From: Lucio De Re @ 2007-08-09 17:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> if you want a really cheep aoe device. use vblade on a pair of
> fs(3)-mirrored sata drives. i do that at home.
Yes, that's on my wish list. And if I read the documentation
correctly, using two vblades would give me RAID-5 with a live spare.
Sadly, by the time one adds up all the necessary components, specially
the 1Gb network adapters, the price is still a little out of
home-developer range.
++L
Still, I think a really small footprint device will have geek appeal.
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* Re: [9fans] robust heterogenous home file server?
2007-08-09 17:38 ` Lucio De Re
@ 2007-08-09 17:42 ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-09 17:48 ` Lucio De Re
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From: erik quanstrom @ 2007-08-09 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: lucio, 9fans
> > if you want a really cheep aoe device. use vblade on a pair of
> > fs(3)-mirrored sata drives. i do that at home.
>
> Yes, that's on my wish list. And if I read the documentation
> correctly, using two vblades would give me RAID-5 with a live spare.
fs(3) has no raid5.
> Sadly, by the time one adds up all the necessary components, specially
> the 1Gb network adapters, the price is still a little out of
> home-developer range.
you can get an intel gbe adapter for $39. you can get an rtl8169 for
about $10.
- erik
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* Re: [9fans] robust heterogenous home file server?
2007-08-09 17:42 ` erik quanstrom
@ 2007-08-09 17:48 ` Lucio De Re
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Lucio De Re @ 2007-08-09 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
>> > if you want a really cheep aoe device. use vblade on a pair of
>> > fs(3)-mirrored sata drives. i do that at home.
>>
>> Yes, that's on my wish list. And if I read the documentation
>> correctly, using two vblades would give me RAID-5 with a live spare.
>
> fs(3) has no raid5.
>
Yes, I realised that was the case after I mailed off :-(
>> Sadly, by the time one adds up all the necessary components, specially
>> the 1Gb network adapters, the price is still a little out of
>> home-developer range.
>
> you can get an intel gbe adapter for $39. you can get an rtl8169 for
> about $10.
>
Not where I come from, at least not easily.
But it all remains firmly on my wish list.
++L
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