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From: "Paweł Lasek" <pawel.lasek@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] A newbie question...
Date: Sun,  3 Feb 2008 15:47:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9f3897940802030647r4677d1a7y122292d7d51c42cb@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <FD4E7A58-B04E-46A5-952A-E3FEF41B693A@mac.com>

On Feb 3, 2008 2:55 AM, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote:
> Circular cause and consequence is funny. Let me add to this list:
> - jpg
> - png
> - tiff
> - PostScript
> - TeX (tpic)
> - HTML
> - Mahjongg, sokoban, sudoku, tetris (games/4s)
> - SPARC, MIPS, x64
> - MP3, PCM, OGG (PAC was made at Bell Labs)
> - SoundBlaster 16
>
> Let me put it this way:
>         GNU software is good, except for GNU development tools, which,
> except for the gcc program itself, are mediocre and break
> compatibility (try using a Bell Labs makefile with GNU make).
>

I'd add to it the fact that autotools source files are hard to make, so
many people who are to lazy to do it properly just put the famous
(in)sanity check and checks for libs they use. The effect?

A simple C program that doesn't rely on anything except for example libpng
will check for C, C++, FORTRAN 77 compilers, check if those are from
GCC and various other things.

Imagine my surprise when I had seen a configure script (for EmacsLisp
utility) that only checked for Emacs version
and few EmacsLisp files it used - a rare thing IMHO, when >80% of
configure running time is for checking for not used
software.

"CPU cycles are cheap, programmer time is expensive" <--- This doesn't
mean that total laziness is appropriate.

The best thing about autotools is I think the scheme of running
configure - AFAIK mplayer doesn't even use configure for it's script,
instead
they use their own, which looks the same to end user. And saves a lot
of time :-)

--
Paul Lasek


  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-03 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-01  0:22 Michael Andronov
2008-02-01  0:25 ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-01  0:31   ` john
2008-02-01  0:30 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-04  0:59   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-01  2:16 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-01  8:50 ` John Stalker
2008-02-01 17:15   ` Michael Andronov
2008-02-02  4:43     ` Michael Andronov
2008-02-02  4:57       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02 13:02         ` Steve Simon
2008-02-04 10:21           ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-04 10:52             ` mattmobile
2008-02-04 11:12               ` Uriel
2008-02-04 11:47                 ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-04 15:42                   ` Alf
2008-02-04 16:06                     ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-04 16:53                       ` Steve Simon
2008-02-04 19:51                       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-06  9:53                   ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-06 19:11                     ` Joel C. Salomon
2008-02-07  1:32                       ` Uriel
2008-02-07  1:44                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-07  9:54                       ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-06  9:45               ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-04 11:09             ` Uriel
2008-02-06  9:53               ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-04 14:32             ` [9fans] cross-compilation Charles Forsyth
2008-02-02  4:57       ` [9fans] A newbie question Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02  7:12         ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-02 14:57           ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02 15:30             ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-02 15:33               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02 15:48                 ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-02 16:04                   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02 16:34                     ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-02 16:10                   ` Charles Forsyth
2008-02-02 17:41                     ` Uriel
2008-02-02 18:27                       ` Martin Neubauer
2008-02-02 19:22                         ` Juan M. Mendez
2008-02-02 19:42                           ` Anthony Sorace
2008-02-02 20:10                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-04  1:49                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-02 22:25                           ` ron minnich
2008-02-03  0:17                           ` Robert William Fuller
2008-02-03  0:30                             ` Rob Pike
2008-02-03  7:51                               ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-03  8:44                                 ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-03  9:30                                   ` lucio
2008-02-03 11:39                                     ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-03 12:49                                       ` lucio
2008-02-03 13:25                                         ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-03 14:10                                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-04  2:05                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-08 16:40                                     ` plan9
2008-02-03 14:07                                   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-03  0:33                             ` Uriel
2008-02-03  1:42                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-03  1:55                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-03 14:47                                 ` Paweł Lasek [this message]
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2008-02-03 16:12                                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-04  2:57                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-04  8:00                                               ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-04  2:03                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-03  7:31                               ` john
2008-02-03 15:01                             ` dave.l
2008-02-03 15:10                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02 21:16                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-02 22:01                           ` Martin Neubauer
2008-02-04  1:02                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-04  1:11                         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-04  1:19           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-02-04  1:29             ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-02-05  2:23               ` David Arnold
2008-02-05  2:26                 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-05  2:38                   ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-05  2:51                     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-02-05  3:00                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-02-06  9:53                         ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-05  3:35                   ` Federico G. Benavento
2008-02-05  2:31                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-02-02  4:57 kokamoto
2008-02-04 12:12 gdiaz
2008-02-04 12:47 ` Filipp Andronov
2008-02-04 13:01   ` Uriel
2008-02-04 13:41     ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-04 13:59       ` Anant Narayanan
2008-02-04 14:36         ` Eris Discordia
2008-02-04 14:43         ` Martin Neubauer
2008-02-06  9:53         ` Greg Comeau
2008-02-06 10:02           ` erik quanstrom

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