[9fans] ReMarkable!

[9fans] ReMarkable!

[Bakul Shah]

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https://gizmodo.com/the-remarkable-e-ink-tablet-is-way-too-good-for-its-sof-1822612517

People like writing on its plastic screen much better than on iPadPro
with its glass screen. Even with a thin plastic protector screen on
the iPad, it does not fell like writing on paper - the screen doesn’t
“give” enough. ReMarkable’s simple interface and the fact it runs
Linux made me think it would make for an interesting experiment in
writing a touch/gesture based editor for handwritten text. On the
 iPad GoodNotes does a very good job of editing within text but lacks
other tools. Come to think of it, even regular text input on iPad isn’t
as fast as with a real keyboard and editing commands. A pen/stylus
opens up new possibilities. I put this out here hoping that one of you
gets inspired enough to write a “pen-based-acme” (in the sense of
having just the “right” editor primitives, but not specific commands).

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[hiro]

we have two of these devices here in the office and my coworker loves
to use it for making notes and sketches.

i like the device's size for reading pdfs with annoying layouts, and i
prefer this screen technology to the glaring normal displays i get to
use otherwise.
replace my main monitor with one of these and i might even run acme
for a day for you. but with mouse and keyboard, i would never replace
them with touch input.

for sketches i'll keep on using paper and pen :)

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[Bakul Shah]

On Feb 12, 2018, at 5:44 AM, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> i might even run acme
> for a day for you. but with mouse and keyboard, i would never replace
> them with touch input.

Ah, but where’s the challenge in that?!

Some ideas to give a sense of what I’m thinking: drawing a line across
the screen vertically or horizontally to create two windows. Scratch it
out to close a window. Lasso a filename and drag it in a window tag bar
to open it there. Select a word and type ? to search. Such ideas would
have to be iterated over and tried out to find out what works.

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[hiro]

your features sound neat, but they don't solve the problem of inputing
longer text.

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[Ethan Grammatikidis]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 2:51 PM, hiro wrote:
> your features sound neat, but they don't solve the problem of inputing
> longer text.
>

i imagine many would find handwriting more comfortable than tapping a lot. possibly more accurate too, although an osk on a screen that big isn't too bad for accuracy. of course, i'm assuming the art of handwriting isn't dead yet. i won't get one because i was never very good at handwriting. :) i preferred the osk on my 2.5" palm back in '01. :) it was good with its stylus, and it wasn't one of those ridiculous modern stylii with the fat squishy tips. would need an active stylus to match it today.

--
The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer

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[Daniel Camolês]

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You could use, you know, a keyboard

Em 13 de fev de 2018 10:49, "Ethan Grammatikidis" <eekee57@fastmail.fm>
escreveu:

> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018, at 2:51 PM, hiro wrote:
> > your features sound neat, but they don't solve the problem of inputing
> > longer text.
> >
>
> i imagine many would find handwriting more comfortable than tapping a lot.
> possibly more accurate too, although an osk on a screen that big isn't too
> bad for accuracy. of course, i'm assuming the art of handwriting isn't dead
> yet. i won't get one because i was never very good at handwriting. :) i
> preferred the osk on my 2.5" palm back in '01. :) it was good with its
> stylus, and it wasn't one of those ridiculous modern stylii with the fat
> squishy tips. would need an active stylus to match it today.
>
> --
> The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer
>
>

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[Ethan Grammatikidis]

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On Tue, Feb 13, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Daniel Camolês wrote:
> You could use, you know, a keyboard

with my ordinary tablet? sure! with a $600 tablet whose main trick is
the handwriting input? why would i buy the tablet?
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The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer


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[Daniel Camolês]

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Well because... A keyboard is very cheap and if you could pay for your
tablet, you can probably afford it? And it's an efficient way to input
text, way more efficient than any handwriting on a screen.

I understand the sunken cost fallacy, but seriously, there's a reason
handwriting on tablets is not that much used despite the existence of
softwares for such. It can be useful when it comes to short annotations,
but it's really ridiculous for long texts. If it could be useful for tasks
such as writing a book and programming, we mostly likely would be doing it
by now.

Maybe it's not impossible that someone would come up with a way to input
text using a pen over a screen that's even more efficient and convenient
than a keyboard. So far, such technology just doesn't exist.

Em 13 de fev de 2018 12:21, "Ethan Grammatikidis" <eekee57@fastmail.fm>
escreveu:

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Daniel Camolês wrote:

You could use, you know, a keyboard


with my ordinary tablet? sure! with a $600 tablet whose main trick is the
handwriting input? why would i buy the tablet?

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[Lucio De Re]

On 2/13/18, Daniel Camolês <bigatojj@gmail.com> wrote:
> [ ... ]
>
> Maybe it's not impossible that someone would come up with a way to input
> text using a pen over a screen that's even more efficient and convenient
> than a keyboard. So far, such technology just doesn't exist.
>
Stenography (short-hand)?

Fashion is still driving the hand-held revolution. Let's salute the
few cases of technologists bucking the trend. Specially here, where we
experience the pain of swimming upstream on a daily basis.

Lucio.

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[Mart Zirnask]

On 13/02/2018, Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/13/18, Daniel Camolês <bigatojj@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [ ... ]
>>
>> Maybe it's not impossible that someone would come up with a way to input
>> text using a pen over a screen that's even more efficient and convenient
>> than a keyboard. So far, such technology just doesn't exist.
>>
> Stenography (short-hand)?
>
Yes -- "everything is a line"!
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/yeah-i-still-use-shorthand-and-a-smartpen/373281/

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[Lucio De Re]

On 2/13/18, Mart Zirnask <martzirnask@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 13/02/2018, Lucio De Re <lucio.dere@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Stenography (short-hand)?
>>
> Yes -- "everything is a line"!
> https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/yeah-i-still-use-shorthand-and-a-smartpen/373281/
>
Thank you for that bit of present-day archaeology.

Any idea what product the author was using? I live where woman
emancipation would probably still gain some traction by going though
the short-hand cycle, I guess we're stuck in some sort of time-warp.

Personally, I'd be willing, perhaps no longer able, to move along with
the times by going back a few decades :-). Ever since the bitsy port,
I've been meaning to look into this.

Thank you, Mart.

Lucio.

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[Lyndon Nerenberg]

> Maybe it's not impossible that someone would come up with a way to input
> text using a pen over a screen that's even more efficient and convenient
> than a keyboard. So far, such technology just doesn't exist.

Dust off the handwriting code that was done for the bitsy.

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[Ethan Grammatikidis]

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018, at 2:58 PM, Daniel Camolês wrote:
> 
> I understand the sunken cost fallacy, but seriously, there's a reason handwriting on tablets is not that much used despite the existence of softwares for such. It can be useful when it comes to short annotations, but it's really ridiculous for long texts. If it could be useful for tasks such as writing a book and programming, we mostly likely would be doing it by now. 
> 
> Maybe it's not impossible that someone would come up with a way to input text using a pen over a screen that's even more efficient and convenient than a keyboard. So far, such technology just doesn't exist.
> 

Did you read the part in the article where they say writing on the ReMarkable's screen feels like writing on paper? Part of the problem with handwriting on screens was the slipperiness of the screen. This is a step forward here.