Re: [9fans] troll paper

[Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com>]

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>  And, if I hear about it being
> “declarative” as a virtue, I point to the 81,000+ lines (and
> growing) of YAML, that I defy any one human to comprehend.


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On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 at 20:49, Kim Shrier <kim@westryn.net> wrote:

> > On Apr 12, 2024, at 4:56 AM, David Arnold <davida@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The vetting process needs some work, lads.
> >
> > More heresy than trolling, perhaps?
> >
> > It was thought-provoking for me.  I wished I was there for the bar
> session afterwards.
> >
> > d
> 
> It didn’t read like a troll paper to me.  I periodically go through
> a similar exercise of thinking about how I would re-evaluate
> various Plan 9 decisions given the environment we find
> ourselves in, more than 35 years after the original work
> was done.
> 
> I do have an answer to the question, “Do we really have to
> have our own kernel?”.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Making decisions about fundamental principles upon which
> you build your system has profound impacts on every aspect
> of the software, including the kernel itself.  Linux is not a good
> substitute for Plan 9.
> 
> And, I take particular exception to recommending Kubernetes
> as a tool for deploying services.  I am having to live through
> Kubernetes hell in my day job.  And, if I hear about it being
> “declarative” as a virtue, I point to the 81,000+ lines (and
> growing) of YAML, that I defy any one human to comprehend.
> 
> I do think it is a good exercise to reevaluate the premises on
> which one builds their systems in order to see if something
> needs to change or a completely different approach is
> warranted.
> 
> I just come to different conclusions than the author of this
> paper.
> 
> Kim
> _
> C++ is an off-by-one error
> 

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