[9fans] Hans Reiser paper on name spaces in operating systems

[9fans] Hans Reiser paper on name spaces in operating systems

[John Murdie]

For those people who haven't seen this already: a paper by Hans Reiser
(of Reiser File System fame) called ``The Naming System Venture''. It
briefly mentions Plan 9.

http://www.namesys.com/whitepaper.html

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John A. Murdie
Experimental Officer (Software)
Department of Computer Science
University of York
England

Re: [9fans] Hans Reiser paper on name spaces in operating systems

[Alexander Viro]

On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, John Murdie wrote:

> For those people who haven't seen this already: a paper by Hans Reiser
> (of Reiser File System fame) called ``The Naming System Venture''. It
> briefly mentions Plan 9.

... and happens to be illiterate.

Re: [9fans] Hans Reiser paper on name spaces in operating systems

[Matt H]

> > For those people who haven't seen this already: a paper by Hans Reiser
> > (of Reiser File System fame) called ``The Naming System Venture''.

> ... and happens to be illiterate.

I've heard of bit rot but ....

 A Naming System Should Reflect Rather than Mold Structure

m

Re: [9fans] Hans Reiser paper on name spaces in operating systems

[Andrew Simmons]

At 00:32 31/01/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>
>> > For those people who haven't seen this already: a paper by Hans Reiser
>> > (of Reiser File System fame) called ``The Naming System Venture''.
>
>> ... and happens to be illiterate.
>
>I've heard of bit rot but ....
>
> A Naming System Should Reflect Rather than Mold Structure
>
>m

Perhaps it was translated from the original German by the Google
translation engine?

Re: [9fans] Hans Reiser paper on name spaces in operating systems

[ozan s yigit]

viro@math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) writes:

> On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, John Murdie wrote:
> 
> > For those people who haven't seen this already: a paper by Hans Reiser
> > (of Reiser File System fame) called ``The Naming System Venture''. It
> > briefly mentions Plan 9.
> 
> ... and happens to be illiterate.
> 

is this an undergrad document? it is very strange. the dialogue is a nice
idea, but one should read at least the kerberos dialogue (or go to the real
authority, plato) to learn how to do it... hobbes is right. :)

oz
---
www.cs.yorku.ca/~oz	 | if you couldn't find any weirdness, maybe
york u. computer science | we'll just have to make some!   -- hobbes

Re: [9fans] Hans Reiser paper on name spaces in operating systems

[patric keller]

andrew@mbmnz.co.nz (Andrew Simmons) wrote in message news:<3.0.6.32.20020131135040.0097d560@pop3.clear.net.nz>...
> At 00:32 31/01/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> >
> >> > For those people who haven't seen this already: a paper by Hans Reiser
> >> > (of Reiser File System fame) called ``The Naming System Venture''. 
>  
> >> ... and happens to be illiterate.
> >
> >I've heard of bit rot but ....
> >
> > A Naming System Should Reflect Rather than Mold Structure
> >
> >m
> 
> Perhaps it was translated from the original German by the Google
> translation engine?

("[...] a description of vaporware.")

nah, don't blame google for that. this 'paper' is just weird.

pat

[9fans] Hans Reiser paper on name spaces in operating systems

[Richard Uhtenwoldt]

John Murdie writes:
>For those people who haven't seen this already: a paper by Hans Reiser
>(of Reiser File System fame) called ``The Naming System Venture''. It
>briefly mentions Plan 9.
>
>http://www.namesys.com/whitepaper.html

 From that paper:
   [Plan 9's] major focus is on integration.

   Their major trick for increasing integration is unifying the name
   space.

   Name spaces integrated into the Plan 9 file system include the status,
   control, virtual memory, and environment variables of running
   processes. They have a hierarchical analog to what the relational
   culture calls constructing views, that the Plan 9 culture calls
   context binding.

Huh?  Can anyone define "context binding"?

googling on "plan 9" and "context binding" gives no joy, and 

$ cd ~/mail_lists_archived
$ grep -i 'context bind' plan9*
$ cat plan9* | wc
 750695 3857580 32044532

Re: [9fans] Hans Reiser paper on name spaces in operating systems

[Theo Honohan]

Richard Uhtenwoldt wrote:
> John Murdie writes:
> >For those people who haven't seen this already: a paper by Hans Reiser
> >(of Reiser File System fame) called ``The Naming System Venture''. It
> >briefly mentions Plan 9.
> >
> >http://www.namesys.com/whitepaper.html
> 
> >From that paper:
>    [Plan 9's] major focus is on integration.
> 
>    Their major trick for increasing integration is unifying the name
>    space.
> 
>    Name spaces integrated into the Plan 9 file system include the status,
>    control, virtual memory, and environment variables of running
>    processes. They have a hierarchical analog to what the relational
>    culture calls constructing views, that the Plan 9 culture calls
>    context binding.
> 
> Huh?  Can anyone define "context binding"?

Maybe Reiser is just qualifying the term binding with a parenthetical
"context" in order give it an object-- as the database people
construct views, Plan 9 people bind (what?).  I agree that's its sloppy
writing.

Googling for "context plan 9 " brings up a paper about naming policies
in Sun's Spring system, which appears to define and use "context" in
an appropriate sense.  So, maybe that's where he got it from.

http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/73091.html

Re: [9fans] Hans Reiser paper on name spaces in operating systems

[Theo Honohan]

Theo Honohan wrote:
> 
> Googling for "context plan 9 " brings up a paper about naming policies
> in Sun's Spring system, which appears to define and use "context" in
> an appropriate sense.  So, maybe that's where he got it from.
> 
> http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/73091.html

Digging deeper, it looks like this usage comes from an older paper by
Saltzer:

http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/nbib/6014040

Someone much older than me will now explain properly.

Re: [9fans] Hans Reiser paper on name spaces in operating systems

[Boyd Roberts]

Good thing Hans was specified.  I was thinking John F. Reiser.

What is he doing now?

Re: [9fans] Hans Reiser paper on name spaces in operating systems

[forsyth]

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Plan 9 has influenced CORBA?
it doesn't show.


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To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Cc: John Murdie <john@cs.york.ac.uk>
Subject: [9fans] Hans Reiser paper on name spaces in operating systems
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:22:29 +0000 (GMT)
Message-ID: <E16Vctv-0002bm-00@minster.cs.york.ac.uk>

For those people who haven't seen this already: a paper by Hans Reiser
(of Reiser File System fame) called ``The Naming System Venture''. It
briefly mentions Plan 9.

http://www.namesys.com/whitepaper.html

--

John A. Murdie
Experimental Officer (Software)
Department of Computer Science
University of York
England