Re: [9fans] Inferno "wm/wm"

Re: [9fans] Inferno "wm/wm"

[forsyth]

>Excuse me, Inferno ships on the Plan 9 CD and provides the only 'shrink
>wrap' browser so your point is simply OS bigotry. It is clear that Inferno
>is intended by Lucent to be used with Plan 9. Therefore discussion within
>the scope of Plan 9 operations should be apropos.

i think you misread my intentions: ultimately i don't myself care where
Inferno is mentioned, especially where the two overlap because they are
clearly related, and Inferno is indeed a Plan 9 application,
but someone did ask, and i therefore pointed out that
there were several places already dedicated to it (well, if you
discount `MAKE MONEY FAST' and `Napster Lives!'  messages),
where one could ask Inferno-specific questions.

Inferno ships on the Plan 9 CD because we (not Lucent) thought it might
encourage interest, and it provided a moderately capable browser (including
Javascript, and with finite source).

our Plan 9 CD includes other software (mainly software package ports
contributed by Russ `The Wonderful' Cox) that we also thought would
be useful and in which we have no proprietary interest at all.

[9fans] Re: Inferno "wm/wm"

[Jim Choate]

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk wrote:

> >Excuse me, Inferno ships on the Plan 9 CD and provides the only 'shrink
> >wrap' browser so your point is simply OS bigotry. It is clear that Inferno
> >is intended by Lucent to be used with Plan 9. Therefore discussion within
> >the scope of Plan 9 operations should be apropos.
> 
> i think you misread my intentions:

Then perhaps you should be more careful and considerate of what you write.
Especially considering you're an official developer and representative of
the company.

Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: [9fans] Re: Inferno "wm/wm"

[andrey mirtchovski]

are you sure you are insulting the right people?

Jim Choate wrote:

> > >Excuse me, Inferno ships on the Plan 9 CD and provides the only 'shrink
> > >wrap' browser so your point is simply OS bigotry. It is clear that Inferno
> > >is intended by Lucent to be used with Plan 9. Therefore discussion within
> > >the scope of Plan 9 operations should be apropos.
> >
> > i think you misread my intentions:
>
> Then perhaps you should be more careful and considerate of what you write.
> Especially considering you're an official developer and representative of
> the company.
>

have you considered a smaller sig?

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[9fans] Re: Inferno "wm/wm"

[Jim Choate]

I didn't 'insult' anyone.

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, andrey mirtchovski wrote:

> are you sure you are insulting the right people?

> have you considered a smaller sig?

Have you considered suicide?

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Re: [9fans] Re: Inferno "wm/wm"

[Dan Cross]

In article <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010308180050.5925S-100000@einstein.ssz.com> you write:
>
>I didn't 'insult' anyone.

Your tone was a little strong, and could be interpreted as insulting.

Charles Forsyth has a tendancy to say things in what is, I imagine, a
rather ``British'' way.  To our untrained and (mostly) American eyes
and ears, this might come across as rude, but I don't think it's meant
that way; I'd guess that it's just a cultural difference.

In other words, I think you're taking exception to something which is
entirely innocent.

>> have you considered a smaller sig?
>
>Have you considered suicide?

That's just uncalled for.  Honestly, your sig is pretty long (whatever
happened to 4 lines as the rule of thumb for max length?), and
statements like these just reduce your credibility.

	- Dan C.

Re: [9fans] Re: Inferno "wm/wm"

[Lucio De Re]

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 06:01:50PM -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
> 
> > have you considered a smaller sig?
> 
> Have you considered suicide?
> 
Yes, but there are infinitely more rewarding activities.  Where do
you live?

Oh, yes, a smaller signature would be more polite, too.

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Re: [9fans] Re: Inferno "wm/wm"

[forsyth]

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now i'm even more bemused.
i can't think of any obscure anglicisms in any of that,
let alone any rude ones.  he expressed a lack of a specific point
of contact about inferno, and i gave him three.
overgenerous if anything, if you ask me.

still, as Dan C observes and Stoppard amusingly demonstrated in
Dogg's Hamlet, Cahoot's Macbeth (taking an idea from a discussion by Wittgenstein)
the interpretation of words can indeed be non-trivial.
Cutlery.


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From: Dan Cross <cross@math.psu.edu>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Inferno "wm/wm"
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:46:41 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <200103090346.WAA10244@augusta.math.psu.edu>

In article <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010308180050.5925S-100000@einstein.ssz.com> you write:
>
>I didn't 'insult' anyone.

Your tone was a little strong, and could be interpreted as insulting.

Charles Forsyth has a tendancy to say things in what is, I imagine, a
rather ``British'' way.  To our untrained and (mostly) American eyes
and ears, this might come across as rude, but I don't think it's meant
that way; I'd guess that it's just a cultural difference.

In other words, I think you're taking exception to something which is
entirely innocent.

>> have you considered a smaller sig?
>
>Have you considered suicide?

That's just uncalled for.  Honestly, your sig is pretty long (whatever
happened to 4 lines as the rule of thumb for max length?), and
statements like these just reduce your credibility.

	- Dan C.

Re: [9fans] Re: Inferno "wm/wm"

[Luis Fernandes]

>>>>> "forsyth" == forsyth  <forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk> writes:

    forsyth> [...] interpretation of words can indeed be non-trivial.
    forsyth> Cutlery.

*Ahem*

Telling someone to fork-off is definitely rude.

Re: [9fans] Re: Inferno "wm/wm"

[Jim Choate]

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Luis Fernandes wrote:

> Telling someone to fork-off is definitely rude.

That would depend on the instigating circumstances.

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Re: [9fans] Re: Inferno "wm/wm"

[forsyth]

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that's not what it means in the context (of stoppard's play).


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To: cse.psu.edu!9fans
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Inferno "wm/wm"
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:57:51 GMT
Message-ID: <x0d7bqsclf.fsf@ee.ryerson.ca>

>>>>> "forsyth" == forsyth  <forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk> writes:

    forsyth> [...] interpretation of words can indeed be non-trivial.
    forsyth> Cutlery.

*Ahem*

Telling someone to fork-off is definitely rude.