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From: Jim Choate <ravage@einstein.ssz.com>
To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Observation about sharing network/grid
Date: Sun,  5 Oct 2003 17:03:39 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0310051657180.3289-100000@einstein.ssz.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <62b7f5143b97a535c09b7e42d86dfa80@caldo.demon.co.uk>


On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Charles Forsyth wrote:

> still, you're right: NFS could have done that, and perhaps the suenix
> re-implementations do.

NFS has been doing that for at least two yeas on Solaris, HP/UX, and AIX.
Might want to review the man pages. When I used to work for Tivoli we had
to make sure this was turned off because of some low level sys call
conflicts with Tivoli during installs from NFS images. Wasn't a big deal
since most sites didn't see it as very usefull.

In a public namespace/filesystem context however the importance changes
dramatically. If you don't allow transitivity in the mounts (and
lazy-update is another must have in the real world) then the source
servers get completely bogged down. Just imagine trying to export the
Gutenburg Project by forcing everyone to go to the project itself. By
using this technology a handfull of sites around the country could make
the primary connections and then export those out to their immediate
region. Then as users hit the second level server, only files that have
never been hit before (or have changed content even one bit) need be
re-propogated.

This whole 'a few sites share to another set of few sites' is the heart of
'small world networks'. It allows the network to scale without traffic
growing with it, provided the number of connections per node is not too
small or too large. Sort of like Goldilocks ;)


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-10-05 22:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-20 21:11 [9fans] life's too short Russ Cox
2003-06-23  7:26 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-06-24 20:47   ` Chris Hollis-Locke
2003-10-05 15:21 ` [9fans] Q: About screenshots Jim Choate
2003-10-05 15:24   ` matt
2003-10-05 15:33     ` Jim Choate
2003-10-05 15:33       ` matt
2003-10-05 15:38       ` Jim Choate
2003-10-06 10:09         ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-10-06 12:03           ` Kenji Arisawa
2003-10-06 13:57             ` mirtchov
2003-10-06 22:33               ` Kenji Arisawa
2003-10-07 11:01                 ` paurea
2003-10-07 11:42                   ` Kenji Arisawa
2003-10-10 20:01                     ` jmk
2003-10-10 20:41                       ` arisawa
2003-10-11  0:10                       ` a
2003-10-11  1:36                         ` jmk
2003-10-11 22:02                           ` arisawa
2003-10-11 22:17                             ` jmk
2003-10-05 15:42       ` Jim Choate
2003-10-05 15:46         ` Jim Choate
2003-10-05 15:55       ` Jim Choate
2003-10-05 16:03         ` matt
2003-10-05 16:03           ` David Presotto
2003-10-05 16:06             ` Hugo Santos
2003-10-05 16:16               ` Jim Choate
2003-10-06  9:02                 ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-10-05 17:59               ` Dan Cross
2003-10-05 16:09           ` Jim Choate
2003-10-05 17:08         ` Dan Cross
2003-10-05 17:17           ` Jim Choate
2003-10-05 18:09             ` Dan Cross
2003-10-05 15:33   ` boyd
2003-10-05 15:44   ` mirtchov
2003-10-05 15:59     ` Jim Choate
2003-10-05 16:15       ` [9fans] Observation about sharing network/grid Jim Choate
2003-10-05 18:01         ` Dan Cross
2003-10-05 18:42           ` Jim Choate
2003-10-05 19:25             ` Dan Cross
2003-10-05 19:37               ` Jim Choate
2003-10-06  9:47               ` boyd
2003-10-05 21:44             ` Charles Forsyth
2003-10-05 21:52               ` [9fans] From the writings of Mark V. Choatey Andrew Simmons
2003-10-05 22:42                 ` Scott Schwartz
2003-10-05 22:03               ` Jim Choate [this message]
2003-10-05 22:10                 ` [9fans] Observation about sharing network/grid Charles Forsyth
2003-10-05 16:58       ` [9fans] And what about secure computing? Jim Choate
2003-10-05 18:07         ` Dan Cross
2003-10-05 17:06       ` [9fans] The small world approach of H18 Jim Choate
2003-10-06  9:55         ` boyd
2003-10-06 18:02           ` D. Brownlee
2003-10-05 17:11       ` [9fans] Q: About screenshots Dan Cross
2003-10-05 17:28       ` [9fans] cat v cp Jim Choate
2003-10-06 13:23       ` [9fans] Update on cat v cp & /dev/screen Jim Choate
2003-10-05 15:57 ` [9fans] Q about screenshots Jim Choate
2003-10-05 16:26 [9fans] Observation about sharing network/grid andrey mirtchovski
2003-10-05 16:40 ` Jim Choate
2003-10-06  9:14 ` boyd
2003-10-05 16:39 andrey mirtchovski

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