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From: "Ronald G. Minnich" <rminnich@lanl.gov>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] So What is P9 good for.....
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:38:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302130831350.24666-100000@carotid.ccs.lanl.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200302131521.h1DFLpG10205@math.Princeton.EDU>


- in the long run, an OS which uses integer IDs is totally useless
  for distributed computing. I learned that one the hard way
  11 years ago with a large enough Condor flock. Globus should have
  learned it the hard way by now but for some reason they have not.
- "you can't secure a system with a privileged user" - Spaf
  How many other OSes avoid having root/administrator/you-name-it
  accounts. Bad deal. Plan 9 avoids this mess.
- device numbers are a Bad Thing, but the various Unix derivatives
  still are having trouble doing a devfs that works well. No such
  issues in Plan 9.
- It's nice to be able to (as a user) mount and unmount things, esp.
  CDROMs etc. Doing it without setuid-root kludgery is even nicer
- Graphics that you can program without a 2000-page stack of packs.
  Now there's a concept.

That's just a few things.

It all boils down to Unix being past the point of smelling bad, now it's a
set of decaying bones with no smell. We need to figure out what comes
next. Arguably, that should have been Plan 9 ca. 1991, but that's another
story. It's hard to believe that in 10 years we'll all still be running
Linux or BSD, so it makes sense to try to see what we SHOULD be running.

ron



  reply	other threads:[~2003-02-13 15:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-13 15:21 John Stalker
2003-02-13 15:38 ` Ronald G. Minnich [this message]
2003-02-13 15:43   ` Boyd Roberts
2003-02-13 15:53     ` Phil White
2003-02-13 23:25       ` Jim Choate
2003-02-14 19:45         ` Dan Cross
2003-02-14 21:04           ` Phil White
2003-02-13 16:51   ` matt
2003-02-14  9:31   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-02-14 15:11     ` Ronald G. Minnich
2003-02-17  9:53       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-02-17 11:32         ` Geoff Collyer
2003-02-17 12:06           ` Lucio De Re
2003-02-17 13:36             ` Russ Cox
2003-02-17 13:41               ` Lucio De Re
2003-02-17 21:37           ` Andrew
2003-02-17 22:03             ` Geoff Collyer
2003-02-17 22:07               ` Russ Cox
2003-02-17 22:07               ` rob pike, esq.
2003-02-17 22:59                 ` northern snowfall
2003-02-17 23:10                 ` Russ Cox
2003-02-17 23:23                   ` George Michaelson
2003-02-18  0:53                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2003-02-18  0:51                       ` Mike Haertel
2003-02-18  9:33                       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-02-18  9:49                         ` [9fans] Re: acd compile problem Conor Williams
2003-02-18 10:01                           ` nigel
2003-02-18 17:30                         ` [9fans] So What is P9 good for Skip Tavakkolian
2003-02-18 17:25                           ` nigel
2003-02-18  4:13                     ` Jack Johnson
2003-02-18  9:10                       ` M Heath
2003-02-20  2:52                     ` Martin C.Atkins
2003-02-17 23:35                   ` matt
2003-02-17 23:45                     ` George Michaelson
2003-02-18  1:53                 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-02-17 23:32             ` Dan Cross
2003-02-14  2:06 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-02-14  9:31   ` Richard Miller
2003-02-14  9:34     ` Geoff Collyer
2003-02-14 15:12       ` Ronald G. Minnich
2003-02-14 13:40     ` David Presotto
2003-02-14 16:44       ` rob pike, esq.
2003-02-14 16:47         ` Ronald G. Minnich
2003-02-15  3:27       ` Geoff Collyer
2003-02-15  6:29         ` Ronald G. Minnich
2003-02-15  9:39         ` Digby Tarvin
2003-02-17  9:53       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-02-17  9:53     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-02-18 15:34 Tom Glinos
2003-02-18 15:39 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2003-02-18  3:06 okamoto
2003-02-18  1:34 okamoto
2003-02-15  6:47 Andrew Simmons
2003-02-14 21:55 Skip Tavakkolian
2003-02-14 21:58 ` Doc Shipley
2003-02-15  0:20 ` Dan Cross
2003-02-13 14:20 peter a. cejchan
2003-02-13  9:37 Jeffrey Haun
2003-02-13 10:04 ` Stephen Wynne
2003-02-13 17:52   ` maynard
2003-02-13 18:12     ` Scott Schwartz
2003-02-13 20:00       ` Jack Johnson
2003-02-13 10:11 ` Phil White
2003-02-13 10:22 ` Lucio De Re
2003-02-13 10:33 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2003-02-13 13:54 ` Russ Cox
2003-02-13 14:00   ` Lucio De Re
2003-02-13 16:26   ` rob pike, esq.
2003-02-13 16:31     ` northern snowfall
2003-02-13 23:28     ` Jim Choate
2003-02-14 19:50       ` mike
2003-02-14 20:05         ` Doc Shipley
2003-02-14 19:51       ` Dan Cross
2003-02-13 14:00 ` northern snowfall
2003-02-13 18:02 ` Jack Johnson

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