[9fans] process migration

[9fans] process migration

[Kamal R. Prasad]

Hello,

 Im new to Plan9 for the most part. I would like to know if Plan9
supports (dynamic) process migration to achieve load balancing. If
yes, pl. provide info on techniques used.

thanks
-kamal

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UNIX systems consultant
kamalp@acm.org; http://kamalpr.tripod.com/

Re: [9fans] process migration

[Fco.J.Ballesteros]

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Plan 9 processes feel so good in their nodes that they
don't move. However, they are free to choose where
to live on by means of cpu, rx and similar commands.

hth

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From: "Kamal R. Prasad" <kamalp@acm.org>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: [9fans] process migration
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:08:49 GMT
Message-ID: <181e352f.0309162302.3a4bd65a@posting.google.com>

Hello,

 Im new to Plan9 for the most part. I would like to know if Plan9
supports (dynamic) process migration to achieve load balancing. If
yes, pl. provide info on techniques used.

thanks
-kamal

-------------------
UNIX systems consultant
kamalp@acm.org; http://kamalpr.tripod.com/

Re: [9fans] process migration

[Ishwar Rattan]

Plan9 has cpu-servers where processes reside! It is a
different ball-game..

-ishwar


On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Kamal R. Prasad wrote:

> Hello,
>
>  Im new to Plan9 for the most part. I would like to know if Plan9
> supports (dynamic) process migration to achieve load balancing. If
> yes, pl. provide info on techniques used.
>
> thanks
> -kamal
>
> -------------------
> UNIX systems consultant
> kamalp@acm.org; http://kamalpr.tripod.com/
>

Re: [9fans] process migration

[Kamal R. Prasad]

ishwar@cps.cmich.edu (Ishwar Rattan) wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.56.0309170937350.7097@pali.cps.cmich.edu>...
> Plan9 has cpu-servers where processes reside! It is a
> different ball-game..
> 
> -ishwar
> 
> 

does it allow processes from moving from cpu server A to cpu server B
after executing from sometime on server A? how is this different from
UNIX?

thsnks
-kamal

> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Kamal R. Prasad wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> >  Im new to Plan9 for the most part. I would like to know if Plan9
> > supports (dynamic) process migration to achieve load balancing. If
> > yes, pl. provide info on techniques used.
> >
> > thanks
> > -kamal
> >
> > -------------------
> > UNIX systems consultant
> > kamalp@acm.org; http://kamalpr.tripod.com/

Re: [9fans] process migration

[Russ Cox]

No, there is no process migration.

Russ

Re: [9fans] process migration

[ron minnich]

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Kamal R. Prasad wrote:

> does it allow processes from moving from cpu server A to cpu server B
> after executing from sometime on server A? how is this different from
> UNIX?

it's not, neither Plan 9 nor Unix support this in a general way. There are
systems that support this in a limited way, however.

People keep wanting migration across OS instances to work the way that it
works on CPUs in an SMP. It doesn't, and never has, except in very special
cases. It's easy to get the easy parts right, hard to get the hard parts
right, and impossible to get the impossible parts right. Most people stop
at easy and call it a day.

ron

Re: [9fans] process migration

[Charles Forsyth]

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some years ago, with an early Plan 9, when i was still
at the university, an undergraduate looked at process migration
as his 3rd year and MEng project, using Plan 9
running on several loosely-coupled 68030 cards in an Eltec VME crate, with
a PC running Plan 9 providing some form of monitoring
and control.  as a project it worked out quite well, and he'd
got it to the stage where he could shift processes from one
card to another.  the student made any necessary kernel changes
himself even though he hadn't touched any operating system before,
with relatively little advice from me.  (I'd done the Eltec port for
an earlier frame-grabbing robot control project.)

my view of OS-based process migration (outside rather specialised cases) before
the project would have been quite well summed up by ron minnich's comment;
i don't think it has changed much since then (outside rather specialised cases).

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From: ron minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] process migration
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:38:26 -0600 (MDT)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309180735450.22490-100000@maxroach.lanl.gov>

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Kamal R. Prasad wrote:

> does it allow processes from moving from cpu server A to cpu server B
> after executing from sometime on server A? how is this different from
> UNIX?

it's not, neither Plan 9 nor Unix support this in a general way. There are
systems that support this in a limited way, however.

People keep wanting migration across OS instances to work the way that it
works on CPUs in an SMP. It doesn't, and never has, except in very special
cases. It's easy to get the easy parts right, hard to get the hard parts
right, and impossible to get the impossible parts right. Most people stop
at easy and call it a day.

ron

Re: [9fans] process migration

[ron minnich]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Kamal R. Prasad wrote:

>  Im new to Plan9 for the most part. I would like to know if Plan9
> supports (dynamic) process migration to achieve load balancing.

That's not properly a part of the OS, so it's not really a sensible
question from my point of view.

ron