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From: "Ronald G. Minnich" <rminnich@lanl.gov>
To: David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com>,
	Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] First-timer help
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:40:19 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0507192227010.19744@enigma.lanl.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3e1162e605071913056b524945@mail.gmail.com>



On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, David Leimbach wrote:

> I guess it's difficult to speculate, but do you foresee any problems
> with paravirtualization performance running with Plan 9 as Dom0?  I know
> with "regular virtualization" I've seen awfully bad performance of
> Inferno, at least in the handling of mouse interrupts and graphics.

it's really hard to speculate. I note that ia64 now runs under xen and 
guest OSes run with no mods, and do have graphics/mouse/etc. I have no 
ia64 boxes any more, so have no idea how well this works. 

> Also, due to momentum in the market, I have to devote most of my life to
> working on Linux related software and stuff.  My only real break from it
> is Mac OS X which I also support at work for our MPI implementations.

Actually the 'binary package' discussion of the last few days got me to
thinking about an interesting thing I have noticed in recent year or two.
>From what I have seen, software is getting less portable and harder to
compile. For a few years in the 90s, I had a mixed linux/freebsd cluster,
and the observation was that before the monoculture hit, a lot of tools
would compile fairly well on both systems with no mods.

Then, a while back, things started getting to the point where they compile
well on linux, but maybe not quite so well on xyzbsd. "Oh, you means
there's an OS other than Linux?". Little linux-specific bits started to
creep in -- usually include file stuff, sometimes network related stuff.

Nowadays, I see things that won't compile on "this Linux" but will compile 
on "that Linux". 2 days ago I had something that would not compile because 
my autoconf was 2.57, not 2.59. 

So, is it a proper use of the word ironic if autoconf, designed to make 
code location-independent, is itself failing because autoconf itself has 
become very version-sensitive? Inquiring non-english-majors want to know!

ron


  reply	other threads:[~2005-07-20  4:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-19 15:48 Ben Huntsman
2005-07-19 16:01 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-07-19 16:07   ` Jack Johnson
2005-07-19 16:10   ` Russ Cox
2005-07-19 16:23     ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-07-19 16:46       ` Martin C. Atkins
2005-07-19 16:40     ` Bakul Shah
2005-07-19 16:51     ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-07-19 17:14     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-07-19 20:08       ` David Leimbach
2005-07-19 20:29         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-07-20  6:39     ` William K. Josephson
2005-07-19 20:05   ` David Leimbach
2005-07-20  4:40     ` Ronald G. Minnich [this message]
2005-07-20  5:02       ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-07-20  8:46       ` Charles Forsyth
2005-07-20 13:44         ` David Leimbach
2005-07-20  0:57   ` Brian L. Stuart
2005-07-20  4:47     ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-07-21  2:33       ` Brian L. Stuart
2005-07-21  2:44         ` [9fans] xen Tim Newsham
2005-07-21  3:02         ` [9fans] First-timer help Ronald G. Minnich
2005-07-21  3:46           ` Brian L. Stuart
2005-07-21  2:32 ` Tim Newsham
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-07-21 23:25 Francisco J. Ballesteros
2005-07-21 23:36 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2005-07-20 16:38 Dave Eckhardt
2005-07-19 16:33 Ben Huntsman
2005-07-20  4:09 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-07-18 20:42 Ben Huntsman
2005-07-17 18:27 John Floren
2005-07-17 18:26 ` Gorka guardiola
2005-07-17 19:18   ` John Floren
2005-07-17 19:20     ` Russ Cox
2005-07-17 23:12       ` Charles Forsyth
2005-07-18  9:23         ` Martin C. Atkins
2005-07-18 10:45           ` lucio
2005-07-18 18:24             ` Jack Johnson
2005-07-19  6:01             ` Martin C. Atkins
2005-07-19 13:29               ` Axel Belinfante
2005-07-19 13:57               ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-07-19 16:11                 ` Martin C. Atkins
2005-07-19 15:38               ` Charles Forsyth
2005-07-19 16:12                 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-07-19 16:39                 ` Martin C. Atkins
2005-07-21  2:30                 ` Tim Newsham
2005-07-20  1:43               ` Brian L. Stuart
2005-07-18 13:08           ` Steve Simon
2005-07-21  2:17             ` Tim Newsham
2005-07-21  4:34               ` arisawa
2005-07-21  2:11         ` Tim Newsham
2005-07-21  2:57           ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-07-22  9:44             ` Richard Miller
2005-07-22  9:49               ` Charles Forsyth
2005-07-22 15:09                 ` Gorka guardiola
2005-07-22 14:14               ` Wes Kussmaul
2005-07-22 15:36               ` David Leimbach
2005-07-22 18:13                 ` jmk
2005-07-23  3:30                 ` LiteStar numnums
2005-07-23 16:19                   ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-07-21 16:12           ` Dave Eckhardt
2005-07-21 16:23             ` Russ Cox
2005-07-21 17:33             ` Wes Kussmaul
2005-07-21 18:13             ` Tim Newsham
2005-07-22  6:16               ` Dave Eckhardt
2005-07-22  6:20                 ` Charles Forsyth
2005-07-21 23:00             ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-07-22  1:28               ` David Leimbach
2005-07-22  1:48               ` Russ Cox
2005-07-22  3:54                 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-07-22  5:57                   ` lucio
2005-07-17 19:20     ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-07-17 19:47       ` John Floren
2005-07-17 19:44         ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-07-17 20:17           ` John Floren
2005-07-17 20:20             ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-07-17 20:58               ` Russ Cox
2005-07-17 19:45         ` Christopher Nielsen
2005-07-17 23:17         ` Charles Forsyth
2005-07-18  0:33           ` Dave Lukes
2005-07-18  7:31             ` lucio
2005-07-18 15:24             ` Jack Johnson
2005-07-18 15:33               ` David Leimbach
2005-07-18 13:51         ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-07-18 15:54           ` arisawa
2005-07-18 16:46             ` Jack Johnson
2005-07-17 19:29     ` Tim Wiess
2005-07-19  0:33     ` arisawa
2005-07-19  1:04       ` arisawa
2005-07-17 18:26 ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-07-17 18:30   ` andrey mirtchovski

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