Plan9ish virtual consoles, etc. (was Re: [9fans] First-timer help)

Plan9ish virtual consoles, etc. (was Re: [9fans] First-timer help)

[Martin C. Atkins]

Hi all,

Following our recent discussions about various ways of sharing the
display amongst logins, I thought Jim Getty's talk at OLS was
interesting.

He goes a lot further than I was suggesting, but I couldn't help but
think how much easier the things he was proposing would be, if he
could think outside the "X box" (and no, I don't mean the games
machine :-), and base the infrastructure on Plan 9!

Perhaps if Plan 9 were shown to trivially do these things (without,
for example, having to put user identities and SELiniux-like
facilities into the X server! Yes, really! Yuk!), it would be
(another) example of Plan 9's superiority.

The talk is at:
	http://www.freedesktop.org/~jg/snap_and_X.pdf

Martin

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Re: Plan9ish virtual consoles, etc. (was Re: [9fans] First-timer help)

[Eric Van Hensbergen]

On 7/30/05, Martin C. Atkins <martin_ml@parvat.com> wrote:
> 
> Following our recent discussions about various ways of sharing the
> display amongst logins, I thought Jim Getty's talk at OLS was
> interesting.
> 
> He goes a lot further than I was suggesting, but I couldn't help but
> think how much easier the things he was proposing would be, if he
> could think outside the "X box" (and no, I don't mean the games
> machine :-), and base the infrastructure on Plan 9!
> 
> Perhaps if Plan 9 were shown to trivially do these things (without,
> for example, having to put user identities and SELiniux-like
> facilities into the X server! Yes, really! Yuk!), it would be
> (another) example of Plan 9's superiority.
> 

I talked to Jim directly about this.  He's very pro-plan 9 and talked
about Rob's influence on the Xrender extensions.  He also spoke in
vocal support of unlocking Linux's private namespaces as a key
component of this stuff.  I pointed him at the v9fs stuff and also
told him about Plan9ports, which he was pretty excited about --
particularly when he heard venti was now part of it.

      -eric

Re: Plan9ish virtual consoles, etc. (was Re: [9fans] First-timer help)

[Martin C. Atkins]

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:02:04 -0500 Eric Van Hensbergen <ericvh@gmail.com> wrote:
> I talked to Jim directly about this.  He's very pro-plan 9 and talked
> about Rob's influence on the Xrender extensions.  He also spoke in
> vocal support of unlocking Linux's private namespaces as a key
> component of this stuff.  I pointed him at the v9fs stuff and also
> told him about Plan9ports, which he was pretty excited about --
> particularly when he heard venti was now part of it.

It seems I assumed too much - this is very nice to hear!

Thanks for filling us in with the background, Eric.

Martin

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Parvat Infotech Private Limited		http://www.parvat.com{/,/martin}

Re: Plan9ish virtual consoles, etc. (was Re: [9fans] First-timer help)

[Eric Van Hensbergen]

On 7/30/05, Martin C. Atkins <martin_ml@parvat.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:02:04 -0500 Eric Van Hensbergen <ericvh@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I talked to Jim directly about this.  He's very pro-plan 9 and talked
> > about Rob's influence on the Xrender extensions.  He also spoke in
> > vocal support of unlocking Linux's private namespaces as a key
> > component of this stuff.  I pointed him at the v9fs stuff and also
> > told him about Plan9ports, which he was pretty excited about --
> > particularly when he heard venti was now part of it.
> 
> It seems I assumed too much - this is very nice to hear!
> 
> Thanks for filling us in with the background, Eric.
> 

Well he was open to the ideas, but probably not completely sold (he
talked a lot about using Coda as a base file system for instance).  It
definitely seems like a good vision in which to demonstrate some of
Plan 9/Inferno's unique attributes so we should probably try to "link
up" with his efforts as much as possible and make a case for Plan 9
technology and techniques over alternatives.

         -eric