[9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[Lyndon Nerenberg]

On Thu, 4 Jan 2018, Joseph Stewart wrote:

> Someone (not me) should make a 9p to S3 service and put all the goodies
> there.

Why not just set up a public Plan9 fileserver?

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[Tyga]

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Would GitHub or similar be easier to manage and track changes,
contributions, etc?

I would prefer to have separate directories for common, 9front specific,
native specific.  At the moment stuff is a bit all over the place.

On 5 January 2018 at 10:24, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Jan 2018, Joseph Stewart wrote:
>
> Someone (not me) should make a 9p to S3 service and put all the goodies
>> there.
>>
>
> Why not just set up a public Plan9 fileserver?
>
>

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Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[David du Colombier]

Take a look to https://9p.io/

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David du Colombier

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[Rob Pike]

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Everyone is naming sites to check out, but which one has the right
contents, is being maintained, and will be stable?

-rob


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:42 PM, David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com> wrote:

> Take a look to https://9p.io/
>
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> David du Colombier
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Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[David du Colombier]

> Everyone is naming sites to check out, but which one has the right contents,
> is being maintained, and will be stable?

I've been running 9p.io since February 2014.

It's a complete and up-to-date copy of plan9.bell-labs.com.

It includes the following services:

 - HTTP and HTTPS (full content, including personal pages)
 - FTP (full content)
 - 9P (/n/sources, but no /n/sourcesdump currently)
 - wikifs (served from /n/sources/wiki)
 - manual pages and documentation

It has been running with no downtime for four years now.

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David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[David du Colombier]

On the other hand, plan9.io is run by Sevki Hasirci.

It has been set up in January 2016, using 9p.io as a basis,
to serve as a fallback mirror.

However, plan9.io is not as complete as 9p.io and doesn't
include services such as FTP, 9P or wikifs.

I don't know about the other mirrors.

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David du Colombier

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[Richard Miller]

> I've been running 9p.io since February 2014.
>
> It's a complete and up-to-date copy of plan9.bell-labs.com.

Not all up to date, I think.  Patch directory appears to be
a snapshot from March 2016, and contrib/miller/9/bcm has
nothing newer than July 2015.

Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[David du Colombier]

> Not all up to date, I think.  Patch directory appears to be
> a snapshot from March 2016, and contrib/miller/9/bcm has
> nothing newer than July 2015.

Yes, /n/sources has been still evolving on plan9.bell-labs.com,
so there are some updates to catch up.

I'll update /n/sources from my latest snapshot.

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David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[David du Colombier]

I've just updated /n/sources on 9p.io with a snapshot from 2017-12-15.

Thanks for the reminding!

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David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[Steven Stallion]

How about contrib? It would be nice to have something to fall back on
when the plug is finally pulled.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:13 AM, David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've just updated /n/sources on 9p.io with a snapshot from 2017-12-15.
>
> Thanks for the reminding!
>
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> David du Colombier
>

Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[Kurt H Maier]

On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 09:08:58PM +1100, Rob Pike wrote:
> Everyone is naming sites to check out, but which one has the right
> contents, is being maintained, and will be stable?

That's never existed to begin with.  Nothing's changed to suddenly make
it likely.

khm

Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[Lyndon Nerenberg]

> Everyone is naming sites to check out, but which one has the right
> contents, is being maintained, and will be stable?

Didn't Charles Forsyth have a github or similar such repository with a
copy of the Labs sources?  That was even seeing sporadic updates?  I'm
sure I browsed it last fall, but I can't find it now.

Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[David du Colombier]

> Didn't Charles Forsyth have a github or similar such repository with a copy
> of the Labs sources?  That was even seeing sporadic updates?  I'm sure I
> browsed it last fall, but I can't find it now.

Few years ago, I've made a GitHub repository with full /n/sources/plan9
history, if that's what you're looking for:

https://github.com/0intro/plan9

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David du Colombier

Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[David du Colombier]

> How about contrib? It would be nice to have something to fall back on
> when the plug is finally pulled.

We could use the /n/sources/contrib directory from 9p.io as the future
main contrib repository, but we never know when plan9.bell-labs.com
will be back.

At some point in the past, plan9.bell-labs.com was down for many weeks,
so some people started to submit patches to 9p.io, but it became an issue
once plan9.bell-labs.com was back because we had to synchronize
the repositories.

That's why I would consider 9p.io to be a read-only mirror of
plan9.bell-labs.com for now.

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David du Colombier

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[Charles Forsyth]

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Yes, when sources was doomed, I enthusiastically set it up, although I
think it was bitbucket not github, but I was then embarrassed to be
reminded that David du Colombier had been maintaining something similar for
quite some time, so I stopped.

On 5 January 2018 at 16:28, David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Didn't Charles Forsyth have a github or similar such repository with a
> copy
> > of the Labs sources?  That was even seeing sporadic updates?  I'm sure I
> > browsed it last fall, but I can't find it now.
>
> Few years ago, I've made a GitHub repository with full /n/sources/plan9
> history, if that's what you're looking for:
>
> https://github.com/0intro/plan9
>
> --
> David du Colombier
>
>

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[Charles Forsyth]

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"we never know when plan9.bell-labs.com will be back."

Yes, yes we do. Not.

On 5 January 2018 at 16:35, David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com> wrote:

> > How about contrib? It would be nice to have something to fall back on
> > when the plug is finally pulled.
>
> We could use the /n/sources/contrib directory from 9p.io as the future
> main contrib repository, but we never know when plan9.bell-labs.com
> will be back.
>
> At some point in the past, plan9.bell-labs.com was down for many weeks,
> so some people started to submit patches to 9p.io, but it became an issue
> once plan9.bell-labs.com was back because we had to synchronize
> the repositories.
>
> That's why I would consider 9p.io to be a read-only mirror of
> plan9.bell-labs.com for now.
>
> --
> David du Colombier
>
>

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Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[Lyndon Nerenberg]

> Yes, when sources was doomed, I enthusiastically set it up, although I
> think it was bitbucket not github,

And the reason I liked the bitbucket repo is because it's accessible using
hg, for which we have a Plan9 port that does get some TLC thanks to the
9front folks.

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[Steven Stallion]

Ouch. I'd hate to think the work I did on that is somehow associated
with 9front.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 5:57 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote:
>> Yes, when sources was doomed, I enthusiastically set it up, although I
>> think it was bitbucket not github,
>
>
> And the reason I liked the bitbucket repo is because it's accessible using
> hg, for which we have a Plan9 port that does get some TLC thanks to the
> 9front folks.
>

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[Kurt H Maier]

On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 07:32:12PM -0600, Steven Stallion wrote:
> Ouch. I'd hate to think the work I did on that is somehow associated
> with 9front.

If you don't want people to use it, don't put it on the internet.

khm

Re: [9fans] R.I.P cs.bell-labs.com

[Lyndon Nerenberg]

> Ouch. I'd hate to think the work I did on that is somehow associated
> with 9front.

Let's leave the pettiness behind.

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[hiro]

On 1/6/18, Steven Stallion <sstallion@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ouch. I'd hate to think the work I did on that is somehow associated
> with 9front.

why?