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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing
Date: Sun,  2 Mar 2008 13:59:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d5033e6962e97bb803b4f3feee886f55@quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BAE2845D-1240-41D7-9D44-EC6CA65F6A4B@telus.net>

> Almost certainly.  And so is C.   Programming many-core shared-cache
> machines in languages with global state and aliasing is just plain
> wrong, in the same way that programming in assembly instead of C is
> wrong.  Add a highly heterogeneous real-time task mix on top of that,
> and you're in for a world of poor cache performance and deadlocks,
> which could be avoided by better choices of implementation language.

i don't understand this argument.  are you saying that csp doesn't work
in c?  or are you saying that csp has caching problems that some other
languages solve?

also, could you define what you mean by "shared cache" a bit more.
would you consider an intel quad core cpu to be a "shared cache"
machine, since the two l2 caches sit on the same fsb?

> Programming for the memory hierarchy is way more important than
> optimizing CPU clocks anymore (though that winds up still having a
> place in some compute kernels).  I wish our programming languages
> reflected that change in perspective.

what do you mean by "programming for the memory heirarchy"?

- erik


  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-02 18:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-01  4:55 lucio
2008-03-01  6:02 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-03-01  6:25   ` lucio
2008-03-01  6:39   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-03-01  6:52     ` lucio
2008-03-01  6:59       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-03-01  7:42         ` lucio
2008-03-01  7:56           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-03-01  7:11     ` ron minnich
2008-03-01  7:29       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-03-01 16:40         ` ron minnich
2008-03-01 16:50           ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-01  8:14       ` lucio
2008-03-01 11:13         ` hiro
2008-03-01 11:47           ` [9fans] intellect? Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-03-01 11:51             ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-03-01 11:53             ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-01 12:11             ` hiro
2008-03-01 12:37               ` hiro
2008-03-01 16:22     ` [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-03-01  7:12 ` ron minnich
2008-03-01  7:32   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-03-01 11:49 ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-01 11:58   ` lucio
2008-03-01 18:15   ` don bailey
2008-03-01 18:24     ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-01 20:19     ` lucio
2008-03-01 21:36       ` ron minnich
2008-03-02  1:07         ` Paul Lalonde
2008-03-02  4:28           ` ron minnich
2008-03-02  8:03             ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-02 11:12           ` Charles Forsyth
2008-03-02 16:21             ` Paul Lalonde
2008-03-02 18:59               ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2008-03-02 20:34                 ` Paul Lalonde
2008-03-02 22:00                   ` Philippe Anel
2008-03-03  3:19                     ` ron minnich
2008-03-03  9:12                       ` Philippe Anel
2008-03-03  3:25                     ` Paul Lalonde
2008-03-03  9:12                       ` Philippe Anel
2008-03-04  2:31                         ` Paul Lalonde
2008-03-03  3:31                   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-03-04  0:49                     ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-04  2:17                       ` Paul Lalonde
2008-03-04  4:52                         ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-04 10:57                     ` Paweł Lasek
2008-03-04 14:57                       ` ron minnich
2008-03-04 15:55                         ` Philippe Anel
2008-03-04 18:27                           ` ron minnich
2008-03-04 18:00                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-03-07  5:21   ` lucio
2008-03-07 10:21     ` Russ Cox
2008-03-07 11:15       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-03-07 18:49         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2008-03-07 18:55           ` lucio
2008-03-07 17:22       ` lucio
2008-03-01 14:45 ` lejatorn
2008-03-01 14:49   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-03-01 15:17     ` lucio
2008-03-01 16:35       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-03-01 16:41       ` ron minnich
2008-03-01 16:53         ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-01 17:13           ` ron minnich
2008-03-01 20:29             ` geoff
2008-03-01 21:36               ` ron minnich
2008-03-01 22:29                 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-04  7:35         ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2008-03-01 15:02   ` lucio
2008-03-01 16:31     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2008-03-01 17:52     ` lejatorn
2008-03-02 17:57     ` sqweek
2008-03-02 18:22       ` lucio
2008-03-02 20:56       ` cinap_lenrek
2008-03-09 17:53 Aharon Robbins
2008-03-09 17:57 ` Bruce Ellis
2008-03-09 18:28 ` Pietro Gagliardi
2008-03-09 19:17   ` erik quanstrom
2008-03-09 19:22   ` Skip Tavakkolian

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