[9fans] irc answers - qemu, inferno less, and a bonus

[9fans] irc answers - qemu, inferno less, and a bonus

[Russ Cox]

    izaki     Hello!
              Has anyone been able to run Plan9 on qemu?

    digijohn  Yes
              I was, however, unable to get online with it from qemu

    sretzki   yeah, networking is not one of qemus strengths

    digijohn  Nor is configuring the network one of Plan 9's :-)

    sretzki   you get some IP from an undocumented dhcp, but it does
              not work, right, digijohn?

I use this in /etc/qemu-ifup on Linux:

    ; cat /etc/qemu-ifup
    #!/bin/sh
    sudo -p "Password for $0:" /sbin/ifconfig $1 172.20.0.1
    sudo ipmasq
    sudo killall -9 udhcpd
    sudo udhcpd
    ;

and then configure the Plan 9 network with the usual ip/ipconfig.
One can even run u9fs and then boot using that as the root file
system, which is great for testing.  When I was doing the x86 mmu
code I built the kernels under Linux (compilers just build under
plan9port; kernel mkfiles needed slight tweaking since / wasn't
the Plan 9 root) and then tested by booting in qemu (or bochs,
if things were very broken).

    AshyIsMe  hello
              does inferno have a less equivalent?
              "man something" is kinda annoying when it just all
              scrolls by

    digijohn  Hey guys, I'm setting up my Plan 9 disk (6 GB), and
              I need to know how much should go for fossil and how
              much for venti

    fgb       yes
              AshyIsMe, wm/man

    AshyIsMe  k

On Inferno, like Plan 9, the equivalent of less (nee more) is "p".
(Wm/man is definitely better for this particular case.)

    uriel     god, they use two spaces in google? now that is the
              ultimate confirmation that they are morons.

I think this speaks for itself, in many ways.

Russ

Re: [9fans] irc answers - qemu, inferno less, and a bonus

[Uriel]

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 08:03:19AM -0500, Russ Cox wrote:
>     uriel     god, they use two spaces in google? now that is the
>               ultimate confirmation that they are morons.
> 
> I think this speaks for itself, in many ways.
Do I need to use <cynicism> tags? How much more do I need to radicalize
my statements before you stop taking them seriously?

Gmail and Ajax speak for themselves, in many ways.

My views on Google are well known, so I won't repeat them here.

But what do you expect a Plan 9 user to think of a company that tries to
force you to go thru a hideous mountain of web crap to do anything?
(Thank god their search service is still sort of useable).

uriel

P.S.: And if using two spaces for indentation is not moronic, I don't
know what could be.

P.P.S.: If your intention was to humiliate me publicly once more, there
are many better irc quotes use for that, but really, what are you trying
to accomplish?

Re: [9fans] irc answers - qemu, inferno less, and a bonus

[Lucio De Re]

> But what do you expect a Plan 9 user to think of a company that tries to
> force you to go thru a hideous mountain of web crap to do anything?
> (Thank god their search service is still sort of useable).

Ever heard of not looking a gift horse in the mouth?

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Re: [9fans] irc answers - qemu, inferno less, and a bonus

[Uriel]

On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 07:54:49AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
> > But what do you expect a Plan 9 user to think of a company that tries to
> > force you to go thru a hideous mountain of web crap to do anything?
> > (Thank god their search service is still sort of useable).
> 
> Ever heard of not looking a gift horse in the mouth?
Ever heard about your whole city being swamped by decaying horse
corpses? 

Welcome to Web 2.0; if Unix didn't completely kill software research, we
will make damn sure this time it really dies.

See utah2000, pages 13 and 14.

uriel

Re: [9fans] irc answers - qemu, inferno less, and a bonus

[andrey mirtchovski]

uriel, please, don't move your tirades off of irc and into 9fans.
those who want them can be directed either to #plan9 or to the logs.

you can assume that we've all read utah2000 and we've all drawn
conclusions from it.

Re: [9fans] irc answers - qemu, inferno less, and a bonus

[Lucio De Re]

>> Ever heard of not looking a gift horse in the mouth?
> Ever heard about your whole city being swamped by decaying horse
> corpses? 
> 
What's the relevance?
> Welcome to Web 2.0; if Unix didn't completely kill software research, we
> will make damn sure this time it really dies.

The current economic climate (I deduce from the way my bank treats me
that capital is irrelevant and only ROI actually counts, something the
Muslim world would find difficult to swallow, maybe there is an
additional relevance there) has suppressed all research that is not
evolution, specially in industry.

Whatever, you are fooled by a concept of research that is strictly the
realm of the 20th century, a century enamoured of science and
technology.  Google has nothing to do with its demise, nor does Unix.
They are symptoms, no causes.

++L

Re: [9fans] irc answers - qemu, inferno less, and a bonus

[Lucio De Re]

> Whatever, you are fooled by a concept of research that is strictly the
> realm of the 20th century, a century enamoured of science and
> technology.  Google has nothing to do with its demise, nor does Unix.
> They are symptoms, no causes.

Sorry, folks, the "Reply-to:" gremlin bit me.

++L