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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:46:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ea77a9df4f48d36591cd0fa81884379c@quanstro.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B8EF2BE3979C2B3276A4E0D@[192.168.1.2]>

> > i'm not a linguist, but the linguists i know subscribe to the
> > viewpoint that the written and spoken language are separate.
> > and evolve separately.  i would derive from this that writability
> > is independent of pronouncability.
>
> If a sequence of symbols corresponds to something from a natural language
> then it must be pronounceable since it must have been uttered at some time.
> The same rule may not apply to "extensions" to natural language (acronyms,
> stenography) or artificial languages (mathematics, computer programs).

i believe this distinction between "natural" and "artificial"
languages is, uh, arbitrary.  think of the symbols that people
im each other with.  these are largely unpronouncable.  and
i've only heard a few ever pronunced at all.  (rofl comes to mind,
though that term predates my knowledge of text messaging).

i also am not sure that there is such a thing as an extension to
a language.  natural languages never have sharp boundaries
and are pretty dynamic.  when did "byte" become a word?
when did "gift" become a verb?  look how fast text-ese has
evolved.

my concept of a language looks more like a standard deviation
than a box.

- erik



  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-12  1:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-11  8:40 xiangyu
2009-09-11 10:23 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-11 11:29   ` Alexander Sychev
2009-09-11 16:13     ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-11 17:49       ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-11 19:14         ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]         ` <68F5914168759B188DF09A60@192.168.1.2>
2009-09-11 19:53           ` Anthony Sorace
2009-09-11 21:28             ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-11 22:16               ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-12  1:19                 ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-12  1:46                   ` erik quanstrom [this message]
2009-09-12  7:05                     ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-12  8:39                       ` Daniel Lyons
2009-09-12 14:22                         ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-12 14:27                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-12 14:39                             ` Eris Discordia
     [not found]                             ` <160F5E4B5D4057F12BB54C75@192.168.1.2>
2009-09-12 20:22                               ` Nick LaForge
     [not found]             ` <C890B1F2A8C2EC12D5383D7C@192.168.1.2>
2009-09-11 21:59               ` Anthony Sorace
2009-09-14  9:33         ` Paul Donnelly
2009-09-14 12:47           ` Eris Discordia
2009-09-11 16:54     ` Anthony Sorace
2009-09-11 18:36       ` Eris Discordia

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