[9fans] Globus attempt (until new software is available)

[9fans] Globus attempt (until new software is available)

[Jeff Sickel]

Has anyone else attempted to port the Globus software to Plan 9?

Even from the beginning, un-tarring some of the base packages
falls over due to the error -- cannot create: name too long.

Aside from the file name length, I was going to try and use APE
for an initial pass at the port.

jas

Re: [9fans] Globus attempt (until new software is available)

[C H Forsyth]

lnfs(4) will help you with the names, but it's hard to see
what could help you with the contents of those tar files when you unpack them...
(i don't mean managing to compile them--perhaps APE could cope.)

Re: [9fans] Globus attempt (until new software is available)

[andrey mirtchovski]

On Tue, 6 May 2003, C H Forsyth wrote:

> lnfs(4) will help you with the names, but it's hard to see
> what could help you with the contents of those tar files when you unpack them...
> (i don't mean managing to compile them--perhaps APE could cope.)
>

lnfs would help, but then globus needs GPT (globus packaging toolkit) to
unarchive the rest, it would require perl to exist on the system, then GPT
would attempt to compile for one of the [gcc|cc] compilers, [32|64] bits and
[debug|''] targets. That means gcc needs to be installed _and_ working. The
fun part comes when GPT would not display anything it does, except the
errors/warnings, which tells you fsck all about what's hapening. Then there
is a slight library problem -- you may never be sure which libraries need to
be installed. Then there's the X509 ceritficate problems -- you need to ask
ANL to sign your certificate. Then there is...

Well, I wrote a very inflamatory anti-globus mail about half an hour ago but
decided against posting it.. In short -- Globus doesn't have a place in
Plan9, for Plan9 stands against anything that Globus is (baroque, bloated,
complex, non-KISS)... Porting it to Plan9 would be the least of your
problems :)

andrey

Re: [9fans] Globus attempt (until new software is available)

[ron minnich]

Andrey is right. Globus is a band-aid for all the stuff you can't do on
Unix that Plan 9 does already. Putting Globus on Plan 9 is bringing coals
to newcastle, ice to eskimos, oil to the middle east.

Well, anyway, don't do it.

ron

Re: [9fans] Globus attempt (until new software is available)

[Jeff Sickel]

ron minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov> wrote:
> Andrey is right. Globus is a band-aid for all the stuff you can't do on
> Unix that Plan 9 does already. Putting Globus on Plan 9 is bringing coals
> to newcastle, ice to eskimos, oil to the middle east.

> Well, anyway, don't do it.

> ron

Thanks for all the input.

Now I just have to figure out how to get a sign-off on a project to use
Plan 9 instead of Globus.

jas

Re: [9fans] Globus attempt (until new software is available)

[ron minnich]

On Wed, 7 May 2003, Jeff Sickel wrote:
> Now I just have to figure out how to get a sign-off on a project to use
> Plan 9 instead of Globus.

That's going to be fun. But:

Plan 9 + Globus ::= Depths of Hell
Unix + Globus ::= Hell

Plan ::= ~Hell

ron

Re: [9fans] Globus attempt (until new software is available)

[northern snowfall]

>
>
>Plan 9 + Globus ::= Depths of Hell
>Unix + Globus ::= Hell
>
>Plan ::= ~Hell
>
heheh

>

Re: [9fans] Globus attempt (until new software is available)

[andrey mirtchovski]

On Wed, 7 May 2003, Jeff Sickel wrote:

> Now I just have to figure out how to get a sign-off on a project to use
> Plan 9 instead of Globus.
>

that's the really tricky part... you'll be hitting your head against several
walls, listed here in no particular order (this list does not attempt to be
comprehensive):

	- why use plan9 when linux just works?
	- no matter how hard globus is to set up, that's what everybody uses
	- you can't expect everybody to just turn around and start using plan9
	- people are afraid to change
	- sure plan9 has all these features, but it's new and untested
	- the license sucks
	- all the research is in globus

this is my personal experience, if yours is different i'd be most delighted!

andrey