Re: [9front] 9front mailing list blocks my messages without notice

Re: [9front] 9front mailing list blocks my messages without notice

[Steffen Nurpmeso]

Hello.

sl@stanleylieber.com wrote in
<DAC7D1CFF4CD7B1AA7BA81DFBD2A17C6@ewsd.inri.net>:
 |sorry for the delay in responding.  i turned on my thinkpad >2 hours
 |ago to investigate this, and immediately ran into a ramnode outage,
 |which prevented me from examining the logs.
 |
 |we join our story already in progress:
 |
 |9front mailing list server has been known to reject mails from
 |perfectly good senders.

Is that about my "complaint"?

 |my logs show mails from sirjofri@sirjofri.de starting on Oct 6
 |06:42:59 EDT 2019.  this address is not currently subscribed to the
 |list, but at least some of the messages from it did get through and
 |were saved in the mailing list mbox.  for example:

Then you have to go back much, much further.  I stopped trying to
post at least three years ago, if not even longer.  I have my web
VM since 2015, so that may be it, then, regarding date.  I always
forgot to switch to the right account by then.  You know,
i always suspected it is because of yandex, and yandex being in
Russia, and so many black or denylisted or however you call it
now...

But got through yesterday!  And today it seems after unblocking
myself at Yandex :), too!!

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,                The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter           he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)

Re: [9front] 9front mailing list blocks my messages without notice

[sirjofri+ml-9front]

Hello sl,

most of my mails arrive now. Some don't. The last mail that didn't arrive (ended with a fail message) contained a url (server dot example dot com) in the thread about my smtp patch.

I don't know what filter I may have encountered.

sirjofri

Re: [9front] 9front mailing list blocks my messages without notice

[Stanley Lieber]

On July 30, 2020 12:07:29 AM EDT, sirjofri+ml-9front@sirjofri.de wrote:
>Hello sl,
>
>most of my mails arrive now. Some don't. The last mail that didn't
>arrive (ended with a fail message) contained a url (server dot example
>dot com) in the thread about my smtp patch.
>
>I don't know what filter I may have encountered.
>
>sirjofri

the mailing list script rejects messages whose bodies file(1) decides are html. this is imperfect. when i get some time i'll write an article about how the mailing lists are set up.

sl

Re: [9front] 9front mailing list blocks my messages without notice

[hiro]

you have written an article already no?

on http://lists.9front.org/
it says:
"NOTE: HTML messages will be droped silently and will not be delivered
to the list."

On 7/30/20, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
> On July 30, 2020 12:07:29 AM EDT, sirjofri+ml-9front@sirjofri.de wrote:
>>Hello sl,
>>
>>most of my mails arrive now. Some don't. The last mail that didn't
>>arrive (ended with a fail message) contained a url (server dot example
>>dot com) in the thread about my smtp patch.
>>
>>I don't know what filter I may have encountered.
>>
>>sirjofri
>
> the mailing list script rejects messages whose bodies file(1) decides are
> html. this is imperfect. when i get some time i'll write an article about
> how the mailing lists are set up.
>
> sl
>

Re: [9front] 9front mailing list blocks my messages without notice

[sirjofri+ml-9front]

Hello,

so let's try sending another mail and see if that arrives. This time from the mail address that's subscribed to the list.

21.07.2020 05:04:31 sl@stanleylieber.com:
> 9front mailing list server has been known to reject mails from
> perfectly good senders.

That's not nice, but even then, that's how it is.

> my logs show mails from sirjofri@sirjofri.de starting on Oct 6
> 06:42:59 EDT 2019.  this address is not currently subscribed to the
> list, but at least some of the messages from it did get through and
> were saved in the mailing list mbox.

Does the mailing list block messages from addresses that are not subscribed?

> From sirjofri.de!sirjofri Fri Jul 10 03:16:12 EDT 2020 remote from
> ewsd Received: from oat.nine.sirjofri.de ([5.45.105.127]) by ewsd; Fri
> Jul 10 03:16:12 EDT 2020 Received: from email.faircode.eu
> ([178.5.83.171]) by oat; Fri Jul 10 09:14:50 CES 2020

Is it possible that it's something about the helo/ehlo string? Because email.fairemail.eu is the mobile client I use and it's its ehlo string. I currently changed it to sirjofri.de, it seems like my mail server does not overwrite it when relaying mail to other servers?

On the other hand I never configured mail server relays myself, so I don't know exactly if mail clients send mails to the destination or the own mail server (relay) first.

If it really is the ehlo string this mail should arrive.

> starting on Jul 15 14:07:56 EDT 2020 the list received messages from
> sirjofri+ml-9front@sirjofri.de, which is currently subscribed.  none
> of those messages have made it to the list.

I don't think I wrote mails from this address other than the subscription mail itself. I prefer using the +ml-9front address for automatic sorting of mails, but still send from the "untagged" address.

If 9front mail server is unable to handle these plus signs I can change my subscribed address.

> seemingly intermittent failures:
> ewsd Jun 18 21:41:43 delivery sirjofri  at net!sirjofri.de (pizarro.uberspace.de:185.26.156.189) rcptto failed: 450 plugin timeout (D9DC0AF1-E322-4160-9A1E-981D3DD19CC7.1)
> ewsd Jul  4 10:27:00 delivery sirjofri  at net!sirjofri.de (sirjofri.de:185.26.156.189) rcptto failed: 550 sirjofri@sirjofri.de That recipient is not allowed
> ewsd Jul  5 11:39:19 delivery sirjofri  at net!sirjofri.de (sirjofri.de:185.26.156.189) rcptto failed: 550 sirjofri@sirjofri.de That recipient is not allowed
> ewsd Jul  5 12:04:16 delivery sirjofri  at net!sirjofri.de (sirjofri.de:185.26.156.189) rcptto failed: 550 sirjofri@sirjofri.de That recipient is not allowed

These are from my old mail server (uberspace). I think we can ignore them, (if they didn't add my domain to some blocklist).

> one day only:
> ewsd Jul 15 12:35:12 [oat.nine.sirjofri.de/5.45.105.127] sirjofri.de!sirjofri+ml-9front -> 9front.org!9front-owner sendercheck: rejected: spf fail
> ewsd Jul 15 12:39:54 ehlo from 5.45.105.127 as oat.nine.sirjofri.de
> ewsd Jul 15 12:39:57 [oat.nine.sirjofri.de/5.45.105.127] sirjofri.de!sirjofri+ml-9front -> 9front.org!9front-owner sendercheck: rejected: spf fail
> ewsd Jul 15 12:59:23 ehlo from 5.45.105.127 as oat.nine.sirjofri.de
> ewsd Jul 15 12:59:30 [oat.nine.sirjofri.de/5.45.105.127] sirjofri.de!joel -> 9front.org!9front-owner sendercheck: rejected: spf fail
> ewsd Jul 15 13:03:49 ehlo from 5.45.105.127 as oat.nine.sirjofri.de
> ewsd Jul 15 13:03:57 [oat.nine.sirjofri.de/5.45.105.127] sirjofri.de!sirjofri -> 9front.org!9front-owner sendercheck: rejected: spf fail
> ewsd Jul 15 13:13:43 ehlo from 5.45.105.127 as oat.nine.sirjofri.de
> ewsd Jul 15 13:13:51 [oat.nine.sirjofri.de/5.45.105.127] sirjofri.de!sirjofri+ml-9front -> 9front.org!9front-owner sendercheck: rejected: spf fail

Really, don't ask me why spf failed here. I didn't change these and they are configured to check the mx records (which points to the new server oat.nine.sirjofri.de). Since they are only one day I think these will not happen anymore.

So let's see if this mail arrives or look how we can fix these issues. Thank you for your response.

sirjofri

Re: [9front] 9front mailing list blocks my messages without notice

[Stanley Lieber]

>Does the mailing list block messages from addresses that are not
>subscribed?

it is supposed to, yes.

sl

Re: [9front] 9front mailing list blocks my messages without notice

[sl]

sorry for the delay in responding, i'm not doing much computing lately.


> Does the mailing list block messages from addresses that are not subscribed?

that is the intention, yes.


>> starting on Jul 15 14:07:56 EDT 2020 the list received messages from
>> sirjofri+ml-9front@sirjofri.de, which is currently subscribed.  none
>> of those messages have made it to the list.
> 
> I don't think I wrote mails from this address other than the subscription mail itself. I prefer using the +ml-9front address for automatic sorting of mails, but still send from the "untagged" address.
> 
> If 9front mail server is unable to handle these plus signs I can change my subscribed address.

plus sings seem to be working fine.  at least, i don't see any errors that claim to be related.


> So let's see if this mail arrives or look how we can fix these issues. Thank you for your response.

it did arrive.

sl

9front mailing list blocks my messages without notice

[Joel Fridolin Meyer]

Hello all,

9front mailing list (this exact one) keeps blocking mails from my
9front mail server (sirjofri.de/oat.nine.sirjofri.de). My smtp log
shows no errors, but mails don't arrive. Log looks completely normal
(with x bytes sent to 9front@9front.org etc).

Currently I have my patch (see other mails) applied, but I made sure
it works (and it works with gmail at least). 9front seems not to use
tls at all (I get no unrecognized sha256 thumbprint notice).

I should note that I noticed some inconsistencies between dates. When
sending mail from myself to myself it arrives with a date two hours in
the future (I'm in Germany, so it might be some timezone issue). I
don't know if that has something to do with it.

It is possible that my server is not configured correctly, but it
works with all other servers I tested so far. So the error might be
the installation on 9front.org (or ewsd.inri.net).

sirjofri

Re: [9front] 9front mailing list blocks my messages without notice

[sl]

sorry for the delay in responding.  i turned on my thinkpad >2 hours
ago to investigate this, and immediately ran into a ramnode outage,
which prevented me from examining the logs.

we join our story already in progress:

9front mailing list server has been known to reject mails from
perfectly good senders.

my logs show mails from sirjofri@sirjofri.de starting on Oct 6
06:42:59 EDT 2019.  this address is not currently subscribed to the
list, but at least some of the messages from it did get through and
were saved in the mailing list mbox.  for example:

 From sirjofri.de!sirjofri Fri Jul 10 03:16:12 EDT 2020 remote from
ewsd Received: from oat.nine.sirjofri.de ([5.45.105.127]) by ewsd; Fri
Jul 10 03:16:12 EDT 2020 Received: from email.faircode.eu
([178.5.83.171]) by oat; Fri Jul 10 09:14:50 CES 2020

starting on Jul 15 14:07:56 EDT 2020 the list received messages from
sirjofri+ml-9front@sirjofri.de, which is currently subscribed.  none
of those messages have made it to the list.

seemingly intermittent failures:

ewsd Jun 18 21:41:43 delivery sirjofri  at net!sirjofri.de (pizarro.uberspace.de:185.26.156.189) rcptto failed: 450 plugin timeout (D9DC0AF1-E322-4160-9A1E-981D3DD19CC7.1)
ewsd Jul  4 10:27:00 delivery sirjofri  at net!sirjofri.de (sirjofri.de:185.26.156.189) rcptto failed: 550 sirjofri@sirjofri.de That recipient is not allowed
ewsd Jul  5 11:39:19 delivery sirjofri  at net!sirjofri.de (sirjofri.de:185.26.156.189) rcptto failed: 550 sirjofri@sirjofri.de That recipient is not allowed
ewsd Jul  5 12:04:16 delivery sirjofri  at net!sirjofri.de (sirjofri.de:185.26.156.189) rcptto failed: 550 sirjofri@sirjofri.de That recipient is not allowed

one day only:

ewsd Jul 15 12:35:12 [oat.nine.sirjofri.de/5.45.105.127] sirjofri.de!sirjofri+ml-9front -> 9front.org!9front-owner sendercheck: rejected: spf fail
ewsd Jul 15 12:39:54 ehlo from 5.45.105.127 as oat.nine.sirjofri.de
ewsd Jul 15 12:39:57 [oat.nine.sirjofri.de/5.45.105.127] sirjofri.de!sirjofri+ml-9front -> 9front.org!9front-owner sendercheck: rejected: spf fail
ewsd Jul 15 12:59:23 ehlo from 5.45.105.127 as oat.nine.sirjofri.de
ewsd Jul 15 12:59:30 [oat.nine.sirjofri.de/5.45.105.127] sirjofri.de!joel -> 9front.org!9front-owner sendercheck: rejected: spf fail
ewsd Jul 15 13:03:49 ehlo from 5.45.105.127 as oat.nine.sirjofri.de
ewsd Jul 15 13:03:57 [oat.nine.sirjofri.de/5.45.105.127] sirjofri.de!sirjofri -> 9front.org!9front-owner sendercheck: rejected: spf fail
ewsd Jul 15 13:13:43 ehlo from 5.45.105.127 as oat.nine.sirjofri.de
ewsd Jul 15 13:13:51 [oat.nine.sirjofri.de/5.45.105.127] sirjofri.de!sirjofri+ml-9front -> 9front.org!9front-owner sendercheck: rejected: spf fail

sl