Re: [9front] Troff ms srefs, weird commata

Re: [9front] Troff ms srefs, weird commata

[sirjofri]

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Sorry, I have issues with my mail setup and attachments. Here's the 
patch.

17.02.2021 18:48:32 sirjofri <sirjofri+ml-9front@sirjofri.de>:
> this patch places the commas behind the quotes around the title.
>
> Before: Author, "Title," Journal, ...
> After: Author, "Title", Journal, ...
>
> It also changes the quoting style from the old troff ``Title'' to 
> “Title”.

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/sys/lib/tmac/tmac.srefs:1,4 - tmac.srefs:1,5
  .\" REFER macros .... citations
  .de []
  .][ \\$1
  ..
/sys/lib/tmac/tmac.srefs:12,19 - tmac.srefs:13,22
  .if t .ds .] \v'.4m'\s+2\fP
  .if n .ds [o ""
  .if n .ds [c ""
- .if t .ds [o ``
- .if t .ds [c ''
+ .\"if t .ds [o ``
+ .\"if t .ds [c ''
+ .if t .ds [o “
+ .if t .ds [c ”
  .\" the next lines deal with the problem of .[1] or [1].
  .\" refer will write "linexxx\*(<.[1]\*(>.
  .\" and either "<." or ">." should produce the .;
/sys/lib/tmac/tmac.srefs:62,68 - tmac.srefs:65,71
  .if !"\\*([R"" .rm [C
  .if !"\\*([F"" .IP "\\*([F.\0"
  .if !"\\*([A"" \\*([A,
- .if !"\\*([T"" \\*([o\\*([T,\\*([c
+ .if !"\\*([T"" \\*([o\\*([T\\*([c,
  \\f2\\*([J\\f1\c
  .if !"\\*([C"" , \\*([C\c
  .if !"\\*([V"" .if n ,\& Vol.\&\c
/sys/lib/tmac/tmac.srefs:101,107 - tmac.srefs:104,110
  .FS
  .if !"\\*([F"" .IP "\\*([F.\0"
  .nr %T 1
- \\*([A, \\*([o\\*([T,\\*([c
+ \\*([A, \\*([o\\*([T\\*([c,
  \\*([R\c
  .if !"\\*([G"" \& (\\*([G)\c
  .if !"\\*([I"" ,  \\*([I\c
/sys/lib/tmac/tmac.srefs:118,124 - tmac.srefs:121,127
  .nr %T 1
  .if !"\\*([F"" .IP "\\*([F.\0"
  .if !"\\*([A"" \\*([A,
- .if !"\\*([T"" \\*([o\\*([T,\\*([c
+ .if !"\\*([T"" \\*([o\\*([T\\*([c,
  .if !"\\*([P"" pp. \\*([P
  in \\f2\\*([B\\f1\c
  .if !"\\*([E"" , ed. \\*([E\c

Re: [9front] Troff ms srefs, weird commata

[Amavect]

The three major US citation styles (MLA, APA, Chicago) use periods inside of the quotes.
IEEE style citations puts the comma on the inside.
https://ieee-dataport.org/sites/default/files/analysis/27/IEEE%20Citation%20Guidelines.pdf
None of these exactly match Plan 9 style, of course.

This has it inside, but I don't know when it was typeset.
http://a.papnet.eu/UNIX/v7/files/doc/11_refer.pdf

General US writing style is to put punctuation inside of quotes, no matter if it was part of the quote.

My personal opinion is to have the comma outside if it's not part of the title.
standards are fun :)

Thanks,
Amavect

Re: [9front] Troff ms srefs, weird commata

[sirjofri]

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Hello,

this patch places the commas behind the quotes around the title.

Before: Author, "Title," Journal, ...
After: Author, "Title", Journal, ...

It also changes the quoting style from the old troff ``Title'' to “Title”.

sirjofri

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Re: [9front] Troff ms srefs, weird commata

[sirjofri]

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Hello,

this patch places the commas behind the quotes around the title.

Before: Author, "Title," Journal, ...
After: Author, "Title", Journal, ...

It also changes the quoting style from the old troff ``Title'' to “Title”.

sirjofri

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[9front] Troff ms srefs, weird commata

[sirjofri]

Hello 9front devs,

I was looking at srefs style for typesetting references. I noticed some 
very weird behavior:

Reference titles (eg articles) are typeset like this: "Title," Journal 
.... The comma is _inside_ the quotes, which is very weird. I checked the 
document in /sys/doc/9.ps, where the comma is placed outside the quotes: 
"Title", Journal, which is also what I know.

Is this style just a regular style I don't know? Is a patch interesting?
It is only relevant when using refer.

sirjofri