[9front] [FQA] some fixes

[9front] [FQA] some fixes

[mkf]

Hello.
This patch changes following pages:
page 59, #9front -> #cat-v 
page 126, monospaces refernces to files and ndb configuration
page 160, mention 10/10 is not possible on 9front with mail-tester.com because of no dkim (yet?)
page 201, hg is gone.
page 220, python is gone.

i've also noticed following issues, but not sure about them:
page 83, t430s lacks info
page 184, "read u9fs(4)" 
- since we don't have u9fs man page on 9front anymore, this is misleading.
maybe a link to u9fs man page?


this is first time i'm writing documents using troff, so please
mention if there are errors.
Thanks!

term%  for( i in *.ms) diff -u /n/fqa/$i $i
--- /n/fqa/appendixl.ms
+++ appendixl.ms
@@ -165,7 +165,11 @@
 .html - <br />
 .FG python gif
 
-Python 2.5.1 is included with the 9front distribution, not because anyone loves Python, but because it was required by Mercurial (also loved by no one), which was required by Google Code (shutting down in 2015). An abject lesson in expediency.
+Until git9 imported on 9front, python 2.5.1 was included with the 9front distribution, not because anyone loves Python, but because it was required by Mercurial (also loved by no one), which was required by Google Code (shutting down in 2015). An abject lesson in expediency. You still can install it from
+.ihtml a <a href="http://git.9front.org/plan9front/pyhg/HEAD/info.html">
+http://git.9front.org/plan9front/pyhg/HEAD/info.html
+.ihtml a
 
 Jeff Sickel ported Python 2.7 to Plan 9.
 .html - Download it <a href="https://bitbucket.org/jas/cpython">here</a>.<p>David du Colombier's notes on to install Python (and Mercurial) are available <a href="http://9legacy.org/9legacy/doc/python/notes">here</a>.
--- /n/fqa/fqa2.ms
+++ fqa2.ms
@@ -408,7 +408,7 @@
 .ihtml a
 join
 .CW
-#9front
+#cat-v
 .R
 on
 .CW
--- /n/fqa/fqa6.ms
+++ fqa6.ms
@@ -101,16 +101,25 @@
 pair with attribute file identifies a file to be included in
 the database.  The files are searched in the order they
 appear.  For example:
-
+.P1
      database=
           file=/lib/ndb/common
           file=/lib/ndb/local
           file=/lib/ndb/global
+.P2
 
 declares the database to be composed of the three files
-/lib/ndb/common, /lib/ndb/local, and /lib/ndb/global.  By
-default, /lib/ndb/local is searched before the others.  How-
-ever, /lib/ndb/local may be included in the database to
+.CW/lib/ndb/common,
+.CW /lib/ndb/local, 
+and 
+.CW /lib/ndb/global
+.  By
+default,
+.CW /lib/ndb/local
+ is searched before the others.  How-
+ever, 
+.CW /lib/ndb/local
+ may be included in the database to
 redefine its ordering.
 
 Within tuples, pairs on the same line bind tighter than
--- /n/fqa/fqa7.ms
+++ fqa7.ms
@@ -1782,6 +1782,8 @@
 .html a <a href="https://www.mail-tester.com">
 .CW https://www.mail-tester.com
 .html a
+please note that it's currently not possible to get 10 of 10 
+possible scores on 9front, because of lack of DKIM support.
 
 .html - <a name="7.7.9" />
 .ihtml h2 <h2>
--- /n/fqa/fqa8.ms
+++ fqa8.ms
@@ -2726,11 +2726,11 @@
 .R
 .ihtml h3
 
-9front ships with
+9front used to ship with
 .ihtml a <a href="https://www.mercurial-scm.org">
 Mercurial.
 .ihtml a
-
+not anymore. it has replaced with git9.
 Read:
 .ihtml a <a href="http://fqa.9front.org/fqa5.html#5.2.1.1">
 .I

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[sirjofri]

Hello

I'm not a native speaker, but I found some missing words.

Take all I write with a grain of salt. In the end sl will do whatever's 
best.

(Comments inline)

sirjofri

17.01.2022 21:13:20 mkf <mkf9@riseup.net>:
> term%  for( i in *.ms) diff -u /n/fqa/$i $i
> --- /n/fqa/appendixl.ms
> +++ appendixl.ms
> @@ -165,7 +165,11 @@
> .html - <br />
> .FG python gif
>
> -Python 2.5.1 is included with the 9front distribution, not because 
> anyone loves Python, but because it was required by Mercurial (also 
> loved by no one), which was required by Google Code (shutting down in 
> 2015). An abject lesson in expediency.
> +Until git9 imported on 9front, python 2.5.1 was included with the 
> 9front distribution, not because anyone loves Python, but because it 
> was required by Mercurial (also loved by no one), which was required by 
> Google Code (shutting down in 2015). An abject lesson in expediency. 
> You still can install it from

"Until git9 [was/has been/some other kind of copula] imported on..."

> +.ihtml a <a 
> href="http://git.9front.org/plan9front/pyhg/HEAD/info.html">
> +http://git.9front.org/plan9front/pyhg/HEAD/info.html
> +.ihtml a
>
> Jeff Sickel ported Python 2.7 to Plan 9.
> .html - Download it <a 
> href="https://bitbucket.org/jas/cpython">here</a>.<p>David du 
> Colombier's notes on to install Python (and Mercurial) are available <a 
> href="http://9legacy.org/9legacy/doc/python/notes">here</a>.
> --- /n/fqa/fqa2.ms
> +++ fqa2.ms
> @@ -408,7 +408,7 @@
> .ihtml a
> join
> .CW
> -#9front
> +#cat-v
> .R
> on
> .CW
> --- /n/fqa/fqa6.ms
> +++ fqa6.ms
> @@ -101,16 +101,25 @@
> pair with attribute file identifies a file to be included in
> the database.  The files are searched in the order they
> appear.  For example:
> -
> +.P1
>       database=
>            file=/lib/ndb/common
>            file=/lib/ndb/local
>            file=/lib/ndb/global
> +.P2

(Thank you for doing this)

> declares the database to be composed of the three files
> -/lib/ndb/common, /lib/ndb/local, and /lib/ndb/global.  By
> -default, /lib/ndb/local is searched before the others.  How-
> -ever, /lib/ndb/local may be included in the database to
> +.CW/lib/ndb/common,
> +.CW /lib/ndb/local,
> +and
> +.CW /lib/ndb/global
> +.  By
> +default,
> +.CW /lib/ndb/local
> + is searched before the others.  How-
> +ever,
> +.CW /lib/ndb/local
> + may be included in the database to
> redefine its ordering.

I'm not sure it this will render nicely, because of whitespace before 
commas and points. I personally prefer \f(CW or the mixed counterpart in 
those cases.

> Within tuples, pairs on the same line bind tighter than
> --- /n/fqa/fqa7.ms
> +++ fqa7.ms
> @@ -1782,6 +1782,8 @@
> .html a <a href="https://www.mail-tester.com">
> .CW https://www.mail-tester.com
> .html a
> +please note that it's currently not possible to get 10 of 10
> +possible scores on 9front, because of lack of DKIM support.

This does sound weird to me. Maybe something like "10 [out] of 10" or 
just "10/10"?

> .html - <a name="7.7.9" />
> .ihtml h2 <h2>
> --- /n/fqa/fqa8.ms
> +++ fqa8.ms
> @@ -2726,11 +2726,11 @@
> .R
> .ihtml h3
>
> -9front ships with
> +9front used to ship with
> .ihtml a <a href="https://www.mercurial-scm.org">
> Mercurial.
> .ihtml a
> -
> +not anymore. it has replaced with git9.

"9front used to ship with Mercurial. Not anymore. It has [been?] 
replaced..."?

> Read:
> .ihtml a <a href="http://fqa.9front.org/fqa5.html#5.2.1.1">
> .I

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[mkf9]

Thank you sirjofri and sorry about mistakes. :)

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[ori]

Quoth mkf9@riseup.net:
> Thank you sirjofri and sorry about mistakes. :)

the best apology is an updated patch.

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[Stanley Lieber]

are we really agreed on changing #9front back to #cat-v? this was originally changed to #9front on request.

sl

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[mkf9]

#9front seems to be empty.

On 2022/01/25 05:47, Stanley Lieber wrote:
> are we really agreed on changing #9front back to #cat-v? this was
> originally changed to #9front on request.
> 
> sl

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[cinap_lenrek]

i never heard of #9front, wtf is going on?

--
cinap

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir]

#/dev/mordor

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[Kurt H Maier]

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 09:19:53AM +0100, cinap_lenrek@felloff.net wrote:
> i never heard of #9front, wtf is going on?
> 
> --
> cinap

When we decamped to oftc I registered both #cat-v and #9front.  I think
we had the idea of moving to #9front so that people would talk about
9front instead of bloggers asking about harmful.cat-v.org and the stuff
Uriel's not around to defend.  

I'll hang onto both, regardless of the documentation decision.

khm

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[sirjofri]

26.01.2022 09:34:57 Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir <ftrvxmtrx@gmail.com>:
> #/dev/mordor

#/dev/schroedinger. It's both live and dead as long as you don't join.

(I don't really have a say in the actual topic though, but I see benefits 
of having #9front as a filter for new users.)

sirjofri

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[hiro]

less is more

On 1/26/22, sirjofri <sirjofri+ml-9front@sirjofri.de> wrote:
>
> 26.01.2022 09:34:57 Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir <ftrvxmtrx@gmail.com>:
>> #/dev/mordor
>
> #/dev/schroedinger. It's both live and dead as long as you don't join.
>
> (I don't really have a say in the actual topic though, but I see benefits
> of having #9front as a filter for new users.)
>
> sirjofri
>

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[Stanley Lieber]

On January 26, 2022 10:25:38 AM UTC, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
>On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 09:19:53AM +0100, cinap_lenrek@felloff.net wrote:
>> i never heard of #9front, wtf is going on?
>> 
>> --
>> cinap
>
>When we decamped to oftc I registered both #cat-v and #9front.  I think
>we had the idea of moving to #9front so that people would talk about
>9front instead of bloggers asking about harmful.cat-v.org and the stuff
>Uriel's not around to defend.  
>
>I'll hang onto both, regardless of the documentation decision.
>
>khm
>

my memory of this is that several years ago (when i was still regular on irc), #cat-v was flooded with nonsense, and we all decided to remove #cat-v from the 9front documentation. this was at a time when freenode/#9front existed and was populated. evidently i did a poor job of documenting this in the fqa hg log, so i can't point to any exculpatory commit messages.

sl

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[Stanley Lieber]

On January 26, 2022 10:47:24 AM UTC, sirjofri <sirjofri+ml-9front@sirjofri.de> wrote:
>
>26.01.2022 09:34:57 Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir <ftrvxmtrx@gmail.com>:
>> #/dev/mordor
>
>#/dev/schroedinger. It's both live and dead as long as you don't join.
>
>(I don't really have a say in the actual topic though, but I see benefits of having #9front as a filter for new users.)
>
>sirjofri
>

my memory of this is that some helpful people had decided to hang out in #9front and be friendly to new users who at the time loudly and constantly complained that #cat-v was too hostile, which wasted our time and annoyed the cat(s).

sl

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[sl]

thanks, applied some form of most of these corrections.

sl

Re: [9front] [FQA] some fixes

[mkf9]

thank you.

On 2022/02/03 05:59, sl@stanleylieber.com wrote:
> thanks, applied some form of most of these corrections.
> 
> sl