Re: [9front] Re: Troff ms srefs, weird commata

[sirjofri <sirjofri+ml-9front@sirjofri.de>]

20.02.2021 03:11:24 magma698hfsp273p9f@icebubble.org:
> sirjofri <sirjofri+ml-9front@sirjofri.de> writes:
>> It makes sense to follow the same rules in quoting. In German we have
>> this: use the punctuation from the quote (eg. "Some text," or "some
>> text?"), if there is none and you need it, place it outside (eg. "Some
>> text", or "some text"?).
>
> That WOULD make more sense, but that's not how we do it in English.  :(

Man, this is complex.

>> In the footnotes the title doesn't end with punctuation, so in German
>> it would be "Title", almost always (except the title ends with
>> something, then it would also contain it: "title?", bla).
>
> You misunderstundhtme.  I think you're confusing footnotes with
> endnotes/bibliography.  When you typeset a footnote, it should come
> after any adjacent punctuation, including quotation marks, like this:

Yeah, I'm talking about the references themselves, so what's in the 
footnotes. I rarely use direct quotes anyway.

In German it would be:

>   Sirjofri says, "The worst language is English."[1]

  Sirjofri sagt: „Die schlimmste Sprache ist Englisch.“[1]

(The quote includes the punctuation.)

> as opposed to this:
>
>   Sirjofri asks, "Is the best language Lojban[2]?"

  Sirjofri fragt: „Ist die beste Sprache Lojban?“[2]

> or, worse yet, this:
>
>   Did Sirjofri just say, "Toki Pona[3]"?

  Hat Sirjofri eben gesagt, „Toki Pona“[3]?

We rarely do endnotes in German, but footnotes instead, and using 
superscript markers is more common than brackets. Btw these examples are 
different when citing indirectly:

  Hat Sirjofri eben gesagt, Englisch sei schwer?[4]

(No quotes, footnote marker always behind the sentence or passage.)

My original question only is about the quoted title in the footnotes and 
bibliography, which is always printed as:

[5] Authors, ”Title,“ Journal, Date, ....

To my German eyes this looks like the title contains the comma in the 
original source and there's no distinction between title and journal. It 
just looks very wrong.

Today I have to send in my thesis, with the adjustment I made (”title“, 
journal). If that's wrong in English I should change it again.

sirjofri